March for Our Lives (Read 22832 times)

zippz

March for Our Lives
« on: March 24, 2018, 11:19:56 AM »
Protestors just went past the Fed building.  About 400+ which is a good turnout considering the rain.  They're headed to the Capitol.

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Lihikai

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 11:40:34 AM »
Numbers matter.  If we can't organize like this we don't stand a chance.  The 2A community needs to focus on getting Marx and Espero out of office.

ren

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 11:41:37 AM »
Cool. Waiting for the Tide Pod after party. Free laundry service.
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drck1000

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2018, 12:06:51 PM »
From 13 yo protester in DC.

“I am 13 and I make better decisions than our law makers.”

Right....

Also

“Our right to not be targets outweighs your rights to guns”

So they don’t want to be lumped into the same group that eats tide pods for fun, but they are ok grouping all gun owners with criminals.

ren

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 12:32:00 PM »
It really is a fucking shame that adults have used these children as pawns.
As a teenager I was educated as a liberal. I was a member of the YMCA sponsored youth legislature program and I naively promoted anti gun bills through our mock legislature. This was back in 1990. There were bans on toy guns, ban on assault rifles and trigger devices. Sound familiar? I was part of group think and peer pressure. Years later with a free mind, I saw that this was sheepish thinking.
Furthermore, as a veteran, I saw first hand at what others without any rights succumb to. Heck, in Iraq families were allowed one full auto AK. I know just one but it was select fire.
There's no right NOT to be a target. That right is only secured by your own decision to defend yourself. That's the mature, experienced thinking that teenagers don't have. They've been and we all have at one time in our lives been taken care by adults. A teenagers' security depends on their parents. Problem is that a lot of parents pawn that responsibility to the government. Not only security but also poor parenting. i.e. Peter Kema.

And thus is the state we are in.
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zippz

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 12:47:39 PM »
I attended one of their pre-march meetings where they had 20 people.  They were new to activism and seemed truly concerned and asked a lot of questions because they weren't familiar with anything involving guns.  I thought it was great that those people attended because they felt like they could make a difference and don't have any incentive to do it.

I'd have a hard time getting 20 gun owners together for a gun rights meeting.

ren

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2018, 12:53:46 PM »
I attended one of their pre-march meetings where they had 20 people.  They were new to activism and seemed truly concerned and asked a lot of questions because they weren't familiar with anything involving guns.  I thought it was great that those people attended because they felt like they could make a difference and don't have any incentive to do it.

I'd have a hard time getting 20 gun owners together for a gun rights meeting.

you don't have the same access that teachers, liberal politicians and others have - nor will they ever let you. They have a greater pool than we do at the moment. That's where we struggle. While we rational think they move based on emotions alone. See any statistics or hard data out there? Nope. just emotions filled speeches and marches.
Would public schools allow you to speak freely to their students? Would they let any one of us let students march for gun rights?
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ren

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2018, 12:55:33 PM »
Here's an idea for a march.
Criminals have gun rights? Why can't I? I don't want to be a target.
I know preaching to the choir and our choir needs new members.
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zippz

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2018, 01:08:53 PM »
you don't have the same access that teachers, liberal politicians and others have - nor will they ever let you. They have a greater pool than we do at the moment. That's where we struggle. While we rational think they move based on emotions alone. See any statistics or hard data out there? Nope. just emotions filled speeches and marches.
Would public schools allow you to speak freely to their students? Would they let any one of us let students march for gun rights?

True.  We have to find ways to get a bigger audience.

In the past no one could compete with gun owners and the power of the NRA and other groups.  You'd just see a bunch of unorganized antigun protestors.  The Brady Campaign website was a joke that looked like a high school student put together.  Now the antigun movement has caught up quickly and are innovating.  You see large organized protests.  They're able to unify different groups of people.  They control the media and social media.  And they have large sponsors. 

Meanwhile the progun movement has been complacent, putting their faith on the Supreme Court which we nearly lost, and expecting others to do the work for them.  Even worse in Hawaii where we've lost most of our allies in the legislature and our gun rights are slowly being lost while not making any gains.

stangzilla

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2018, 03:04:47 PM »
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/03/24/photos-armed-police-military-protect-thousands-at-march-for-our-lives-gun-control-rally

They use armed police and military to protect the protesters at the March.
Bunch of hypocrites

GlockNewb

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2018, 03:07:59 PM »
Saw this on a friend’s IG account, politely asked friend to look up a survivor named Kyle Kashuv, hoping I can make something productive out of this.
"Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

Rocky

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2018, 03:44:07 PM »
Saw this on a friend’s IG account, politely asked friend to look up a survivor named Kyle Kashuv, hoping I can make something productive out of this.

Basic search shows
EDUCATION:  Mechanical Engineering from Florida Atlantic University (2016-2020)
LOCATION:  Boca Raton, Florida
https://www.facebook.com/kyle.kashuv/friends?pnref=lhc

An in depth search shows nothing ( no such person) closest match is 42 yr old Kashif K Iftikhar
Wellington, FL
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
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ren

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2018, 06:06:04 PM »
It's all over the news.
I'm watching our 2A right disintegrate right now, like Waikiki sand.
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oldfart

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2018, 07:21:13 PM »
What these middle class kids need is a full time job to earn their own money then have them try to find a place to live that they can afford. Odds are they'll end up in the low rent part of the inner city urban landscape. Then deny them some second amendment rights.

That'll shut those loud mouths up.
What, Me Worry?

punaperson

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2018, 07:27:06 PM »
What these middle class kids need is a full time job to earn their own money then have them try to find a place to live that they can afford. Odds are they'll end up in the low rent part of the inner city urban landscape. Then deny them some second amendment rights.

That'll shut those loud mouths up.
You'd think so, but that assumes that people are rational and have critical thinking skills. I'll offer Chicago as evidence of the contrary. For over 90 years the place has been run by "progressive" Democrats and the city has consistently been among the highest rates of crime anywhere in the U.S., including homicide, mostly perpetrated by "people of color" on other "people of color" in relatively economically depressed areas, yet those very heavily victimized populations have voted almost unanimously for nearly a century to return those Democrats to power in order to continue their failed policies. I'm just sayin'...

drck1000

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2018, 07:35:49 PM »
What these middle class kids need is a full time job to earn their own money then have them try to find a place to live that they can afford. Odds are they'll end up in the low rent part of the inner city urban landscape. Then deny them some second amendment rights.

That'll shut those loud mouths up.
Yup. It’s easy to have the ideals they have when you don’t pay into the system, not face the realities of being an adult.

oldfart

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2018, 07:46:55 PM »
Basic search shows
EDUCATION:  Mechanical Engineering from Florida Atlantic University (2016-2020)
LOCATION:  Boca Raton, Florida
https://www.facebook.com/kyle.kashuv/friends?pnref=lhc

An in depth search shows nothing ( no such person) closest match is 42 yr old Kashif K Iftikhar
Wellington, FL
....
He was just on tv.
What, Me Worry?

GlockNewb

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »
Basic search shows
EDUCATION:  Mechanical Engineering from Florida Atlantic University (2016-2020)
LOCATION:  Boca Raton, Florida
https://www.facebook.com/kyle.kashuv/friends?pnref=lhc

An in depth search shows nothing ( no such person) closest match is 42 yr old Kashif K Iftikhar
Wellington, FL

Here’s my findings on Google, granted I am following the guy, so that might have affected the search.

"Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast."

stangzilla

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2018, 07:52:12 PM »
Pussification of America

oldfart

Re: March for Our Lives
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2018, 10:19:01 PM »
HPD should disarm the officers immediately. Think of the children.
Chief Ballard will rearm officers with heavy duty doorstops and a book of harsh language.
What, Me Worry?