Lihikai is correct.

Until we can organize on the same level as the Anti's we're Fooked.

If we can't use our numbers as a voting bloc and unseat at least one Anti politician, when most elections are decided by double or triple digits or they run unopposed, the situation is hopeless.

Ren is also correct. We're all sitting here watching our  right to bear arms disintegrate before our eyes.

And we do nothing.

The next time you're at the range, stop and take a look at the people around you. Ask yourself how many of them, when faced with armed agents of the government on their doorstep, will simply hand over their firearms without a fight. On an optimistic day I would say 95%.

The same holds true for members here. I know I'm going to take a lot of flak for saying so, but it's the truth, and we all know it.

If we don't stand up as a group and resist this now, using our minds and votes, it's going to come down to an all too real kinetic exchange for those that are willing to fight.

It will not end well, for us or the country.

Comments to the choir:

I made the mistake of watching the CBS "special" "39 Days", and a local news broadcast last night, and Mike Wallace's "interview" with two of the "student leaders" this morning. I say "mistake" in the sense of deliberately doing something that I knew would be bad for my health.

They all keep repeating "commonsense" gun restrictions, which include "ban assault weapons", raise purchase age to 21, ban "high capacity" magazines, and "mental health checks" as a requirement to purchase a firearm, as well as repeat over and over "no one wants to take your guns away". Bloomberg couldn't even fantasize that some day his talking points would be broadcast day after day after day on every media outlet with virtually no rebuttal at all (Mike Wallace had Kyle Kushuv and Coion Noir video excerpts totaling maybe 20 seconds which he then allowed to be challenged without response).

1. Most (none?) never say specifically what ALL the "commonsense" gun restrictions are.
2. None have ever defined specifically what an "assault weapon" is.
3. None have ever explained why, if using the common current various definitions of "assault weapons" legally banned in various jurisdictions, weapons with identical functionality but merely differing in cosmetic features merit different legal status (I mean, "flash hider", seriously?).
4. Never define "high capacity" magazine (nor mention that the Parkland murders were committed with 10 round mags, which perhaps implies that 10 round capacity is too "high" to allow).
5. Never detail what a "mental health check" entails (we've seen that effort here in Hawaii where it would have been conducted by "a state approved mental health worker" and would have been required within 90 days prior to any/every firearm purchase).
6. Kasky said "ban assault weapons" and "no one wants to take your guns away" and "people should be allowed to have "smaller guns for home protection if you think you need one". That almost sounds like a ban on all rifles, and maybe even larger "assault" handguns. Love to hear his definition of "need" too... as we all know how that works out when the government gets to define whether you meet their standard of "need" or not. And, obviously, if you are under 21 and/or the only firearm(s) you own is an "assault weapon" then they DO want to take all your guns away.

Okay, my blood pressure is almost back to normal again... 

I made the mistake of watching the CBS "special" "39 Days", and a local news broadcast last night, and Mike Wallace's "interview" with two of the "student leaders" this morning. I say "mistake" in the sense of deliberately doing something that I knew would be bad for my health.

Thanks I'll check those out.  We should always be aware of what the other side is doing.

The student protests won't get much done now.  However it's bad in the long term.  These are the future voters, politicians, and people of influence and I'm afraid they'll overpower gun owners over the next 10+ years like they do in Hawaii now.  Most students don't care about these issues.  However events like these and only seeing one side of the issue in school and media will push them to the anti-gun side a little as they grow older and when they're grouped with like minded people.

I believe gun ownership in America is on a declining trend despite the prevalence of concealed carry and the gun buying craze over the last 10 years.  We have to support youth programs like boy scouts, JROTC, air rifle/smallbore, Friends of the NRA, college groups, and showing students our side of the issue.

I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the comments on HNN articles about this. Those standing up against those who said things like “if your against this, you’re part of the problem”. People waking up and seeing this for what it is, children being used as pawns to push an agenda.

Here's John Lott's brief rebuttal to several of the suggested "do something" (non)solutions proposed by the "March for Our Lives" propagandists "students".

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/24/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-ideas-sound-good-but-are-deeply-flawed-and-wont-save-lives.html

March for Our Lives: Gun control ideas sound good, but are deeply flawed and won't save lives

[Interesting to see that he resurrects his and the chief of police's testimony here in Hawaii re "gun registration" and solving crime (aka "public safety"):]

Gun control advocates have long claimed that gun registration will help solve crimes. Their reasoning is straightforward: A registered gun left at a crime scene can be used to identify the criminal.

Unfortunately, it rarely works out this way. Criminals almost never leave behind guns that are registered to them. In the few cases where guns are left at the scene, it is because the criminals were killed or injured. And these guns are virtually never registered to the person who committed the crime. Many are stolen.

During a 2013 deposition, the Washington, D.C., police chief said that she could not “recall any specific instance where registration records were used to determine who committed a crime.”

When I testified before the Hawaii State Senate in 2000, the Honolulu chief of police also stated that he couldn’t find any crimes that had been solved due to registration and licensing.

The chief also said that his officers spent about 50,000 hours each year on registering and licensing guns. This time is being taken away from traditional, time-tested law enforcement activities.

Melissa, from Punahou, wrote a good editorial in Civil Beat.  She's the high school student that posted a pro2a article in the newspaper a few months ago.  She's interested in bringing other Punahou students to Koko Head to try shooting guns.

No, Not Every Student Is For ‘Gun Control’
http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/no-not-every-student-is-for-gun-control/

They have a catchy tune.

Melissa, from Punahou, wrote a good editorial in Civil Beat.  She's the high school student that posted a pro2a article in the newspaper a few months ago.  She's interested in bringing other Punahou students to Koko Head to try shooting guns.

No, Not Every Student Is For ‘Gun Control’
http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/03/no-not-every-student-is-for-gun-control/

Keep us posted. I’m down to support hosting the open minded onesfor a range day.

Keep us posted. I’m down to support hosting the open minded onesfor a range day.

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Me too

Kids are hypocrites..not their fault still young lots to learn. They want school to be safe? Maybe they should look in the mirror and leave my rights alone.

Nobody Marched for Us.

Kids will say and do stupid stuff. It's what kids are supposed to do. It is a part of growing up.
The problem now is that kids have the internet to show and tell stupid stuff to other kids who don't know any better.
That is how stuff like tide pods starts. That is how viral flashmob  walkouts start.
And unfortunately,  that is how misinformation is being spread.

Remember the episode of star trek where Kirk lands on a planet where all the adults die off?
That left the planet to be run by stupid kids.

These marching kids are like babies who have been hurt and are crying for attention.
Unfortunately, like actual infants, they have no idea what to do to solve their problem.
The thousands of kids marching to the gun control drum are like dogs,.... pack animals who howl when one dog howls.
Yes, they all start howling. They have no idea why they are howling. They do it because the others are doing it.

Can you imagine if we, as a country, let kids dictate policy? Like that star trek episode.
What a mess that would be.

There is a good reason why the founding fathers set 35 as the minimum age to be president.
30 years old to be a senator
25 years old to be a representative

It's easy for kids to yell and scream for gun control. They do not own guns therefore they have no stake in the game.
They cry for a pacifier from the safety of their middle class living room paid for by their parents.
Imagine the stink if there were a law prohibiting use of a cell phone before age 18.

Here's my comment posted to today's Hilo Tribune-Herald story about the "March for Our Lives":

I think it's appropriate and telling that they have a 9-year-old and an 11-year-old sum up the rationality and critical thinking skills of their side with the statements "[T]his should be a gun-free world. Period." and "I think guns are dumb."

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/03/25/nation-world-news/vote-them-out-hundreds-of-thousands-demand-gun-control/

And, for good measure...



Okay, one more... the teachers and their students during a "walkout" authorized by the state Department of Education:

Think of the children...

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Think of the children...

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These libs stole a page from Adolf Hitler??? No can be

Kids will say and do stupid stuff. It's what kids are supposed to do. It is a part of growing up.
The problem now is that kids have the internet to show and tell stupid stuff to other kids who don't know any better.
That is how stuff like tide pods starts. That is how viral flashmob  walkouts start.
And unfortunately,  that is how misinformation is being spread.

Remember the episode of star trek where Kirk lands on a planet where all the adults die off?
That left the planet to be run by stupid kids.

These marching kids are like babies who have been hurt and are crying for attention.
Unfortunately, like actual infants, they have no idea what to do to solve their problem.
The thousands of kids marching to the gun control drum are like dogs,.... pack animals who howl when one dog howls.
Yes, they all start howling. They have no idea why they are howling. They do it because the others are doing it.

Can you imagine if we, as a country, let kids dictate policy? Like that star trek episode.
What a mess that would be.

There is a good reason why the founding fathers set 35 as the minimum age to be president.
30 years old to be a senator
25 years old to be a representative

It's easy for kids to yell and scream for gun control. They do not own guns therefore they have no stake in the game.
They cry for a pacifier from the safety of their middle class living room paid for by their parents.
Imagine the stink if there were a law prohibiting use of a cell phone before age 18.

Miri? I just saw that episode the other night. They referred to the diseased grownups as "Grups".
Or was it "The Children Shall Lead" the one with the pervie alien guiding them

Grups
Bla bla bla bonk bonk

March for our lies

I haven't seen a single report of any of the "marchers" who were flown to D.C. by the Bloomberg/Soros dollars who refused to board the plane because someone in the cockpit crew may have been armed. You know, someone whose job it is to pilot or navigate, not defend, and thus would present a danger to all under their care.

Took a course on generational diversity maybe 4 months ago. The "Tweens (Gen Z)" were defined as 11 - 20 and their key character descriptions were as follows:

- Prefer speed over accuracy (I see that at work all the time)
- Self directed, expect flexibility (I see that at work all the time, particularly with work schedules and demands to be allowed their 1 hour paid workout time. . . )
- Do not have perseverance (I have not noticed that at work, but something that I see with their "trendy culture" that is typically driven via online and media)
- Seeks challenges with team

The analysis of Gen Z was caveated as "still early" in that they are a diverse group and not as much study on them as say Gen X, Gen Y, Baby Boombers, etc.  While the info given wasn't a "key" it did help me to better understand the apparent rift between Baby Boomers/Gen X with Gen Y (millennials).  Millennials are from a massive culture shift and they aren't going away.  Best to learn to try to guide and manage as best as possible.  Easier said than done, but they key thing is they aren't going away.