If it makes you happy, I stand corrected.

Not an apology, but I guess an admission is better than expected.   

If there is anyone who should be giving apologies, the people who owe a million of them is Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Clinton apologized.

Mods please close this thread. My apologies for starting it.

No, it is not bullshit.

In fact, the truth of the illegal overthrow, annexation, and current occupation of Hawaii has just become standard teaching in all public schools in the US.

Please see for details:  https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/american-national-teachers-union-recognizes-the-illegal-occupation-of-the-hawaiian-kingdom/

You support "that union" and it's goals and policies? The NEA.

That's the union that hosted the "March for Our Lies" last weekend in D.C. at their massive lobbying headquarters with hot chocolate after their "#enough". You know, where spokesperson Tarr said, "When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for bread crumbs. They [politicians] know that if there is no assault weapons ban passed, then we will vote them out. They know that if there is no tightening of the background checks, we will vote them out. They know that if there is no shrinking of magazine capacity, then we will vote them out."

Good to know who you are siding with ideologically. The NEA views everything through a very particular "bias", including the topic you reference them as being arbiters of.

For example, regarding Second Amendment issues, here's what the NEA official position is: "We believe assault weapons and high capacity magazines are weapons of war that belong only in the hands of our military and law enforcement officers. We believe in “amnesty days” to allow Americans to turn these types of weapons of war in to law enforcement –no questions asked."

http://www.nea.org/home/54092.htm

Maybe you should just turn yours in now to show your support for this "authoritative" organization.

Here are a couple more of their "articles" on the same topic:

http://www.nea.org/home/55527.htm

http://www.nea.org/home/72835.htm

You support "that union" and it's goals and policies? The NEA.

I did not say I support that organization.


The NEA views everything through a very particular "bias", including the topic you reference them as being arbiters of.

I respect your views of the NEA, but your generalizations of the "bias lens" of the NEA and its positions on issues is still your opinion and not fact.

I respect your views of the NEA, but your generalizations of the "bias lens" of the NEA and its positions on issues is still your opinion and not fact.

The NEA "article" you reference is just their opinion and not fact.

The NEA is not issuing an opinion.

They will be publishing an article documenting historical evidence of the illegal overthrow, annexation, and continued occupation of Hawaii by the US as well as its long-term effects on Kanaka Maoli and the resources of the land.

Thurston and the so-called Committee of Safety, almost all who were officially Hawaiian nationals, used their legally owned firearms permitted by the Kingdom to overthrow Hawaii's last Queen.

Strangely enough, after their illegal insurrection and goal of immediate annexation by the US was rightfully denied by President Cleveland, who officially saw Thurston and his group as traitors/terrorists, it was their de facto unintended Republic of Hawaii that began outlawing firearms to its citizens, who were the majority, Native Hawaiians.   

Mad squabbles. You should exercise your US given 2A rights to take back your nation. Then give back your 2A rights under your new monarchy.

How do you know that citizens of the Hawaiian Kingdom did not own firearms?

Quote from: Kuleana on March 29, 2018, 09:36:21 PM

Many of Hawaii's students are learning something.

The actions of students referenced in the article are a direct result of the education they received in regards to Hawaiian history and the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US, through which the article fails to mention.

Was being sarcastic.... seems like anything and everything that happens here in Hawaii you manage to turn it into sovereignty
Issues, etc etc. Even though I’m 25% Native American I’ve accepted what was done, rite or wrong. I guarantee  native Americans suffered a lot more than native Hawaiians but you don’t see us whining about it every time time something is said. 

About what you said about the Asians feeling the same way...
Well it was their choice to come here. No one dragged them here. Sure they were mistreated but what’s  the sense in constantly bringing it up. We all came from some other place to where we are now. Maybe we should all retreat back to our ancestral lands which include Hawaiians. You may be native BUT your ancestors emigrated here just like everyone else. Maybe the U.S. should leave here and leave it the way it was found! One thing I’ll guarantee you is If  the U.S. left, some other nation will step rite in and it’ll be a whole lot worse.
Like I was told a short time ago it’s manifest destiny and the reason for my B.S. semaphores....
Maybe you need some cheese with all that whine....
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Maybe the U.S. should leave here and leave it the way it was found! One thing I’ll guarantee you is If  the U.S. left, some other nation will step rite in and it’ll be a whole lot worse.

Here's the statement from the article you link to: “The NEA will publish an article that documents the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Monarchy in 1893, the prolonged occupation of the United States in the Hawaiian Kingdom and the harmful effects that this occupation has had on the Hawaiian people and resources of the land.” If you think that one statement alone isn't full of opinions you don't know the definition of "opinion".

After the Grover report,  which clearly showed the committee of safety was wrong, however the president didn't want to use troops to reinstate the monarchy,  the queen should have reclaimed her kingdom. They had no backing from the united states.
Instead the queen keep to her,  we shall not use violence approach.
If the kingdom wanted it bad enough,  they could have went against the queens wishes.
They also could have accomplished this without firearms. 
It was only a committee and some of their friends
Then the queen could have reclaimed her throne
But the queen didn't

I totally agree with your hypothetical speculation of events.  However, the fact that the Queen did not take up arms against the insurgents in 1893, does not alter the facts that the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom was illegal as its annnexation by the US.

There is no statute of limitations as to when an internationally recognized soveriegn nation can legally reclaim political authhority of its government and territory, after being illegally seized by a foreign power.