You can never believe everything you see or hear on the news.  I hope it was a break in, and not a mix up of someone going home drunk.

What I do know is that it was a CPO Submariner stationed out of Pearl.  From what i understand it was an incredibly sad accident that resulted in a shipmate losing their life.

Navy identifies man fatally shot in Ewa Beach as chief petty officer

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/04/17/breaking-news/navy-identifies-man-fatally-shot-in-ewa-beach-as-chief-petty-officer/

Not looking good for the homeowner, unless the Sailor was trying to break the door down and making death threats.  It has potential for a manslaughter case or at the very least a very costly civil suit.

Is this the one you're thinking of?
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37150095/legal-expert-explains-self-defense-law-after-ewa-beach-homeowner-shoots-alleged-trespasser

Also I hope this one he didn't shoot through a closed door but waiting for the facts.

Yes, that is the one I was thinking about.

Not looking good for the homeowner, unless the Sailor was trying to break the door down and making death threats.  It has potential for a manslaughter case or at the very least a very costly civil suit.

I don't think it matters if he was trying to break the door down.  The homeowner wasn't actually threatened in any way. 



I was specifically told by HPD that I had to be threatened even with the intruder inside of my house.


I think this would be getting a different reaction if the CPO shot the local through the door.  Roles reversed.

Looks like the homeowner shot through the door by the news article and pics of the door.  Only reasonable reason I can see for shooting through the door is if you're trapped with no cover and being shot at through the door.
http://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/man-arrested-for-murder-in-ewa-beach-shooting/1123118802

Makes a good case for encouraging additional firearms and self-defense scenario training.  I'm not sure what weapon was used, but no training is required to get a rifle and shotgun.  Minimal training is required to purchase a pistol.  Problems like this is one of the reasons people believe guns aren't good for self-defense and they have a legitimate concern.

Firearms community can help to prevent things like this by encouraging training, having self-defense seminars, and by including things like this in basic pistol courses.

This is why training is important, even watching videos since we have no classes here can help.

I saw a hole in the door, and no signs of a breach or trying to breach.  As in the wood frame and door itself had no damage to it.

But it's all how the homeowner articulates why he shot.  If he heard a threat from the CPO and he said "I have a gun, open the door or I'll shoot you", then maybe.  But odds are not the case, unless there is a voice recording.  Because 1) The CPO lived there 2) Has no criminal record 3) Was intoxicated 4) No signs of damage to the door

So not looking good.

I don't think it matters if he was trying to break the door down.  The homeowner wasn't actually threatened in any way. 

I was specifically told by HPD that I had to be threatened even with the intruder inside of my house.

Probably doesn't meet the law and not recommended in a self-defense situation, should instead attempt to flee if possible or wait till they get through as using a gun for self-defense is the last option.

However a jury would be more likely to side with the homeowner in that case than just shooting through a secured door.  And a reasonable gun owner isn't trained to police standards, so you have to give some leeway.  It's also difficult for most people to make good shots under extreme stress on a person charging at you, so shooting at someone breaking down a door and making death threats may seem reasonable.

Didn't happen in this case, but for future reference.

Looks like the homeowner shot through the door by the news article and pics of the door.  Only reasonable reason I can see for shooting through the door is if you're trapped with no cover and being shot at through the door.
http://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/man-arrested-for-murder-in-ewa-beach-shooting/1123118802

Makes a good case for encouraging additional firearms and self-defense scenario training.  I'm not sure what weapon was used, but no training is required to get a rifle and shotgun.  Minimal training is required to purchase a pistol.  Problems like this is one of the reasons people believe guns aren't good for self-defense and they have a legitimate concern.

Firearms community can help to prevent things like this by encouraging training, having self-defense seminars, and by including things like this in basic pistol courses.

Based on your suggestion, both HRA and HDF could offer classroom self-defense seminars that focus on the aspects on the various scenarios when citizens are within their right to utilize a firearm for self-defense with respect to Hawaii laws.  They could conduct them on their respective range days with special guest speakers from the attorney general's office and HPD.

I am confident you will have a packed audience at every event, which you could piggy back your own 2a presentations of support.

There's going to be seminars on these topics at the NRA Annual Meeting I'm attending next month.  One of the reasons for attending conferences like these.  I could see if they could come down and put on seminars at the gun show in the future.

Refuse to Be a Victim: Crime Prevention Strategies
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1059&SessionDateID=45

Armed Citizen: How to Interact With Law Enforcement
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1062&SessionDateID=45

Concealed Carry Fundamentals
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1061&SessionDateID=45

Advanced Concealed Carry Fundamentals
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1069&SessionDateID=45

Survival Mindset: Are You Prepared?
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1064&SessionDateID=45

Sheepdogs! The Bulletproof Mind for the Armed Citizen
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1066&SessionDateID=45

Fourteen Factors Impacting Your Shooting Performance Under Duress
http://s15.a2zinc.net/clients/NRA/nraam2018/public/SessionDetails.aspx?FromPage=Sessions.aspx&SessionID=1075&SessionDateID=46

Not good for the home owner.

On the other hand, look how costly it is to convict a real scumbag.
I doubt if the state is going to prosecute, just because it would be really hard to convince a jury that the home owner was NOT fearful of death or injury.
 

With what limited information we have, its definitely a bad shoot.  However, we do not have all the information, and probably never will.

I feel terribly for the victim, and utter disgust towards the shooter.  If I were a juror, the only justification I'd accept for shooting through that door would be someone else shooting through on the other side at you.  I dont care if they had a meat cleaver and were slashing it on the door and making holes in it.  Shoot the guy when he breaks the door down and gets inside (you have a gun and the advantage of surprise at that point, right?).  Even if your family is inside and you feel threatened, you arent threatened until the guy is actually inside regardless of your "feels".  I'd be very interested to know if/when the shooter called 911.

Getting a conviction is a whole different story regardless of who is right or wrong. 

I heard on this morning's news that the shooter was also arrested for a firearm possession violation meaning that the firearm was not registered or that the shooter did not have a permit for the firearm that was used.

Based on your suggestion, both HRA and HDF could offer classroom self-defense seminars that focus on the aspects on the various scenarios when citizens are within their right to utilize a firearm for self-defense with respect to Hawaii laws.  They could conduct them on their respective range days with special guest speakers from the attorney general's office and HPD.

I am confident you will have a packed audience at every event, which you could piggy back your own 2a presentations of support.

LIFE includes an hour law portion that covers use of deadly force and we go over a decent amount of scenarios to really stress the "under immediate threat/danger of _______".  It's an easy thing to cover when students are forced to sit and listen in order to get an affidavit, it's another thing entirely to get people that already own firearms but don't know dick about the law to come and get educated. 

I'd be more than happy to cover this topic at HRA/LIFE funshoots that I attend every month if there are people that want to learn, but last I heard the HRA is useless or something.

You're less likely to be convicted of manslaughter of you can show that you have received the training.

You're less likely to be convicted of manslaughter of you can show that you have received the training.

There's two sides to it.  With training, you're less likely to get into a bad situation.  However if you do something wrong, then you shouldve known better.

Training is needed, along with periodic refresher training.

You're less likely to be convicted of manslaughter of you can show that you have received the training.

Who said or teaches that? Or that’s just what you think?

ETA - If that’s just your opinion, then you’re spreading bad information.

What training? Knowledge of laws? Shooting training?

It’s also one thing to have sat through training and another to put that training to “use”, especially in a stressful situation.

There's two sides to it.  With training, you're less likely to get into a bad situation.  However if you do something wrong, then you shouldve known better.

Training is needed, along with periodic refresher training.

I have always wondered about all those IG shooters (Knockoutlights, Truxodous, Gatman, etc...).  The other persons attorney would probably submit video of their sub-second IWB draw as evidence.

Jesus, you guys are taking me too literal. What I said was that you’re less likely. I was referencing Drak’s Post.

Jesus, you guys are taking me too literal. What I said was that you’re less likely. I was referencing Drak’s Post.

I was just asking if you were expressing your opinions on the matter? Or about info and/or studies like:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3518334/

Or those segments at the end of Best Defense where they discuss various situations and stress importance of knowing laws, being able to communicate why use of deadly force was necessary, etc.

If it’s the latter, I would tend to agree that knowledge would help you to avoid being convicted in a case of justified use of self defense.