Just more numbers in the sink.

Information is free to disseminate far and wide.

For anyone who applied for CCW, how long did it take to receive the denial letter?

And this is "Liberty"?

And this is "Liberty"?

Nope...they are made by Daimler Chrysler as the brand Jeep. Liberty as an ideal in this state is dead.

And this is "Liberty"?

I thought this was Liberty.  The man on the right shot him ... or so they say. 

well they got what they wanted with rap back a 25% reduction in permits (people obtaining firearms)

I bought my share.

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Potential surge in 2018? From the limited convos I’ve had, RapBack seems to have no real bite, so acquisitions are in my near future.

So were you removed?

And this is "Liberty"?

"I have been here 7 years now but leaving tonight for good never to come back.  I have never been around more subservient people within the United States in all my life.  People are like drones here.

They just do whatever the state government demands of them not understanding what the term free men/women is.

I was probably more disgusted by the citizens that sit there like drones than the law makers that impose such restrictions.

Hawaii = Nice place to visit but never longer than 30 days.

Here is my exchange with HPD today.


Walked into HPD firearms division and stated I wanted to unregister my firearms. I had my shipping paperwork, Federal orders, and plane tickets leaving tonight.

I was told by one of the four officers behind the desk that this is not possible. 

I asked why? It was stated that all firearms that ever resided in the state of Hawaii remain registered. 

I asked why? Another officer stated so they could share the information with the Federal authorities.

I then stated that was illegal under the GOPA where a state maintained list was shared at the Federal level.

No response.

I then asked why I could un-register my car, pet, and bicycle but not my firearms.

It was stated that Hawaii doesn't care once the firearms leave the state. 

I said apparently they do because they are keeping a record of my property that Hawaii has no jursidiction over.

They told me to follow the laws of the state I was going to.

I said Georgia.

Then I stated that private to private sales in Georgia are not documented in anyway and that Georgia does not register firearms. 

The female officer told me to get a bill of sale. (obviously ignorant that there is no requirement and that most private owners do not consent to a bill of sale.)

What if I sell my firearms?  Can I unregister them then?

No.  If I want to sell a firearm to someone in the mainland and the transaction did not happen in the state then the firearm remains registered to me even though I no longer own it.



Observations and points of interest.

The officers were really indoctrinated into Hawaii's way of thinking.  All of them could not understand why I wanted to un-register.

Sharing of information with the Federal authorities seems to be prevalent.


Good luck to all as I will never return to this state for one single thing the rest of my life.  There are too many places to live other than a state that wants to totally control its citizens.  Of course when government does this they are no longer citizens but subjects."

Hope you're good wherever you are

Seems like we got a crappy deal when having registration or an all out handgun ban.  The future generations are now paying for that deal.  IDK when "Art of the Deal" was written, but maybe it could have helped if read.

If we did have a handgun ban, I would assume it would have been overturned at some point.  And therefore, no registration.  I'm amazed that no other state (CA,NY, MA) filed a
 "me too" for RAPBACK yet.

Seems like we got a crappy deal when having registration or an all out handgun ban.  The future generations are now paying for that deal.  IDK when "Art of the Deal" was written, but maybe it could have helped if read.

If we did have a handgun ban, I would assume it would have been overturned at some point.  And therefore, no registration.  I'm amazed that no other state (CA,NY, MA) filed a
 "me too" for RAPBACK yet.

If they did it in any other state it would be challenged and it would be thrown out as unconstitutional.

Seems like we got a crappy deal when having registration or an all out handgun ban.  The future generations are now paying for that deal.  IDK when "Art of the Deal" was written, but maybe it could have helped if read.

If we did have a handgun ban, I would assume it would have been overturned at some point.  And therefore, no registration.  I'm amazed that no other state (CA,NY, MA) filed a
 "me too" for RAPBACK yet.

The handgun ban would've been far worse since the supreme court didn't take up any firearms cases until Heller in 2008.  An entire generation of firearms users wouldn't exist to promote 2nd amendment rights today.

The handgun ban would've been far worse since the supreme court didn't take up any firearms cases until Heller in 2008.  An entire generation of firearms users wouldn't exist to promote 2nd amendment rights today.

Would an all out handgun band have made it sooner maybe?  But we do have to figure at least an easy 5 year delay due to court back logs.

Would an all out handgun band have made it sooner maybe?  But we do have to figure at least an easy 5 year delay due to court back logs.

Doubt it since there haven't been SCOTUS cases for a long time.  If it did come up it would've been favorable with the majority conservative judges at the time.

Anyone know when the 2018 numbers will be out (hate crimes is up on AG site)? Not that there will be any giant uptick in approval numbers.... 

http://ag.hawaii.gov/cpja/rs/specialrpts2013/

well they got what they wanted with rap back a 25% reduction in permits (people obtaining firearms)

I think it had more to do with Hillary not getting elected, sigh of relief, buy mama that wash machine instead.  2016 is probably everybody thinking Hillary was going to get in.

goes to show that FBO was the greatest thing for gun sales, bar none.  when he got reelected, the numbers went through the roof!

well they got what they wanted with rap back a 25% reduction in permits (people obtaining firearms permits)

I don't think there was a reduction in firearms. Not that anyone here would do anything illegal. Unlike what the State and Counties have done with "RapBack". I would hope that a class action suit is brought against the State and respective counties for theft of funds that were by law supposed to be allocated for a direct fee paid to the FBI and the monies returned to everyone who paid the fee.

I don't think there was a reduction in firearms. Not that anyone here would do anything illegal. Unlike what the State and Counties have done with "RapBack". I would hope that a class action suit is brought against the State and respective counties for theft of funds that were by law supposed to be allocated for a direct fee paid to the FBI and the monies returned to everyone who paid the fee.

Can anyone who proposed/supported the bill also be sued?  And Ige who signed it?

This way it would prevent any future types of these bills.  And we all knew from day 1 that it's unconstitutional.

  And we all knew from day 1 that it's unconstitutional.

...Slightly out of topic...

For those of us keeping score.

2018 had an increase in permits and registrations. We also had an increase in the number of CCW applications statewide. 31 total, which is up from 14 in 2017.

"Permit Applications Processed, Issued, Voided, and Denied
A total of 18,070 personal/private firearm permit applications were processed statewide during 2018, marking a 9.9% increase from 16,443 applications processed in 2017. Of the applications processed in 2018, 95.9% were approved and resulted in issued permits; 2.4% were approved but subsequently voided after the applicants failed to return for their permits within the specified time period; and 1.7% were denied due to one or more disqualifying factors."

"Confiscations - Four “assault pistols,” one “short barrel shotgun,” and one “short barrel rifle,” as defined and prohibited by state law, were confiscated by the firearm registration personnel statewide in 2018." I am assuming that some military folks did not read the laws.

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