Melting Point 'Law"? (Read 5485 times)

PalisadesKid

Melting Point 'Law"?
« on: May 31, 2018, 02:22:34 PM »
Was flipping through HRS-134 and came across this and I swear I never saw it before, or just completely ignored it.

§134-15  Restriction of materials for manufacture of pistols or revolvers.  (a)  It shall be unlawful for any person, including a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer, to possess, sell, or deliver any pistol or revolver the frame or receiver of which is a die casting of zinc alloy which has a melting temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit.

     (b)  This section shall not apply to any pistol or revolver duly registered prior to July 1, 1975, pursuant to section 134-3 or to any antique pistol or revolver. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2]


I assume the reason most popular polymer frame pistols don't abide by this because the law specifically refers to zinc alloy?

The original reason I was flipping thru HRS -134 was to prove to someone that Hawaii doesn't have a banned list of pistols like California does.

macsak

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2018, 02:37:00 PM »
Was flipping through HRS-134 and came across this and I swear I never saw it before, or just completely ignored it.

§134-15  Restriction of materials for manufacture of pistols or revolvers.  (a)  It shall be unlawful for any person, including a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer, to possess, sell, or deliver any pistol or revolver the frame or receiver of which is a die casting of zinc alloy which has a melting temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit.

     (b)  This section shall not apply to any pistol or revolver duly registered prior to July 1, 1975, pursuant to section 134-3 or to any antique pistol or revolver. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2]


I assume the reason most popular polymer frame pistols don't abide by this because the law specifically refers to zinc alloy?

The original reason I was flipping thru HRS -134 was to prove to someone that Hawaii doesn't have a banned list of pistols like California does.

google "saturday night special"

6716J

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2018, 02:37:10 PM »
Was flipping through HRS-134 and came across this and I swear I never saw it before, or just completely ignored it.

§134-15  Restriction of materials for manufacture of pistols or revolvers.  (a)  It shall be unlawful for any person, including a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer, to possess, sell, or deliver any pistol or revolver the frame or receiver of which is a die casting of zinc alloy which has a melting temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit.

     (b)  This section shall not apply to any pistol or revolver duly registered prior to July 1, 1975, pursuant to section 134-3 or to any antique pistol or revolver. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2]


I assume the reason most popular polymer frame pistols don't abide by this because the law specifically refers to zinc alloy?

The original reason I was flipping thru HRS -134 was to prove to someone that Hawaii doesn't have a banned list of pistols like California does.

Please don't give them ideas
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

macsak

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2018, 02:38:07 PM »
google "saturday night special"


well, you might want to add "revolver" or "handgun"
who knows what a google search of "Saturday night special" may come up with...

PalisadesKid

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2018, 02:57:44 PM »
google "saturday night special"

Come to think of it, Ive never seen a Hi Point for sale at any FFL in Hawaii.

PalisadesKid

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2018, 02:58:32 PM »
Please don't give them ideas

I don't need to. Whatever the national DNC anti-gun talking point of the year is, our monkeys downtown will just cut and paste.

zippz

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2018, 05:21:47 PM »
This came up when I was looking for a cheap 22lr revolver.  I was looking at a heritage revolver but found the old ones were made of zinc so would be illegal to own.

They're now made of steel and aluminum.

rklapp

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2018, 06:11:09 PM »

well, you might want to add "revolver" or "handgun"
who knows what a google search of "Saturday night special" may come up with...
You might be thinking of Saturday night happy ending.
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K30l4

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2018, 12:31:08 PM »
You might be thinking of Saturday night happy ending.
Haha! Those are great too!

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michaelkih

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2018, 01:27:27 AM »
I own some pistols like that.  Who even gives a crap?  God the laws here are retarded.

Rocky

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2018, 07:48:25 AM »
Many of the current Gun laws were racially develooped'
Pardon my language here, but that's they way it is written

§134-15 Restriction of materials for manufacture of pistols or revolvers. case notes.
SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL
With the horrendous rioting of 1967 and 1968, Congress again was panicked toward passing some law that would shut off weapons access to blacks.
" The “Saturday night special” is in part a linguistic descendant of the racist phrase "Niggertown Saturday Night."
The obvious implication of the phrase "Saturday night special" is that it is a gun used by "niggers" to shoot each other with during their wild
Saturday nights.
No one denies that the people disarmed by a "Saturday night special" ban would be predominantly poor and non-white.

Of course, the black community wasn't the only group racially ridiculed.

HRS  134-9 Case notes
In 1911, New York passed the Sullivan Law, which to this day requires a person to obtain a license, issued at the discretion of police officials, to possess a handgun.
The law was aimed at preventing handgun ownership by Italians and Irish immigrants of the period, then considered untrustworthy by New York legislators and police chiefs with different bloodlines.
The National Firearms Act (1934), as originally proposed, would have required registration of handguns.

So the above shows that Hawaii racially penalizes all equally.  :grrr:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Melting Point 'Law"?
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2018, 12:04:49 PM »
The problem with these targeted bans is the unintended, and possibly intended, negative consequences.

When the SNS owners went out to go clubbing, they carried a small caliber, cheap, lightweight handgun for protection. Those were in the .22 - .32 caliber range.  The amount of damage such a gun could do, especially at several feet distance and through sometimes layers of clothing, would normally wound and not kill.  Those who felt the need for a gun at home because they lived in the poorest areas with high crime and minimal police presence could only afford SNS guns and ammo.

The thought process said, if you ban the type of firearm most often involved in nightclub shootings in black neighborhoods, then you'll have the largest reduction in shootings (fewer guns = fewer shootings).

In reality, they wound up disarming the law abiding residents who could not afford a more expensive handgun, and the club shootings became more lethal. When lawmakers took away the .22 - .32 caliber guns, people bought the 9mm semis and .38 Special revolvers.  Larger calibers resulted in more shooting victims dying of their wounds than before.

Leave it to lawmakers to be unable to foresee the predictable results of their actions.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw