Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do? (Read 10999 times)

drck1000

Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« on: July 18, 2018, 08:09:50 AM »
What is your dry fire practice like?  What do you do?  About how often?

Was discussing this in a class over the weekend.  The joke was who does dry fire in your bibbadees (or boxers or whatever, haha).  But I know many of you utilize dry fire.  I try to, but I have to admit that not as much as I probably should.

When I do get around to dry fire practice, I tend to work on trigger control.  Making sure I can break the trigger without imparting forces that might disturb the sights.  I also practice stuff like reloads and draws.

One side benefit of dry fire practice is regular function checking of your firearms.  Just last night, I was doing some dry fire with an AR and was just about to put it away and noticed that the trigger was stuck.  I was like "WTF?!"  Anyways, after taking a closer look, there was a primer stuck below the trigger bar (or whatever it's called) and right up against the safety.  Totally disabled the gun.  I don't even remember when I shot that particular AR last.  Maybe over a year ago.  And for  my Glock 34, I had not shot it in a while and was doing some dry fire.  The trigger was pinned to the back after the initial trigger pull.  I don't know what happened, but assumed that the trigger mechanism got gummed up.  Applied some Ballistol and things eventually worked free. 

Drakiir84

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 08:16:06 AM »
What is your dry fire practice like?  What do you do?  About how often?

Was discussing this in a class over the weekend.  The joke was who does dry fire in your bibbadees (or boxers or whatever, haha).  But I know many of you utilize dry fire.  I try to, but I have to admit that not as much as I probably should.

When I do get around to dry fire practice, I tend to work on trigger control.  Making sure I can break the trigger without imparting forces that might disturb the sights.  I also practice stuff like reloads and draws.

One side benefit of dry fire practice is regular function checking of your firearms.  Just last night, I was doing some dry fire with an AR and was just about to put it away and noticed that the trigger was stuck.  I was like "WTF?!"  Anyways, after taking a closer look, there was a primer stuck below the trigger bar (or whatever it's called) and right up against the safety.  Totally disabled the gun.  I don't even remember when I shot that particular AR last.  Maybe over a year ago.  And for  my Glock 34, I had not shot it in a while and was doing some dry fire.  The trigger was pinned to the back after the initial trigger pull.  I don't know what happened, but assumed that the trigger mechanism got gummed up.  Applied some Ballistol and things eventually worked free.

I've got a mix of targets on my wall in my garage and have tape on the ground at varying distances.  I'll grab the ol SIRT gun and "battle belt" and head down at least once a week and put half an hour to an hour of draws, reloads and target transitions.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

zippz

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 08:42:06 AM »
Dryfire is like exercising for me.  I have all of the equipment needed, know I should do it and plan on doing it but when it comes time to do it Ill say Ill do it next time.

If I can get into a regular rythym ill practice on a target in the hallway or use the laserapp.  I have to work on my left hand shooting and the double action revolver.

RSN172

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2018, 09:29:54 AM »
After not doing anything for over a month, I have been doing dry fire and live fire and type 2 and 3 malfunction practice a lot more.  I am going to Front Sight in October and don't want to embarass myself.  I find my Crimson Trace green laser is very helpful in seeing how much your point of aim is moving. 

Also bought 2 new holsters, one IWB and one OWB to accommodate the laser sight.  I have found it much faster to accurately hit your target when drawing from your holster as you don't need to get a sight picture.
Happily living in Puna

robtmc

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2018, 09:34:15 AM »
I was like "WTF?!"  Anyways, after taking a closer look, there was a primer stuck below the trigger bar (or whatever it's called) and right up against the safety.  Totally disabled the gun.  I.........................................................

The trigger was pinned to the back after the initial trigger pull.  I don't know what happened, but assumed that the trigger mechanism got gummed up.  Applied some Ballistol and things eventually worked free.

Sounds like good tales for the "Do you clean your guns" thread a while back.

changemyoil66

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2018, 10:00:38 AM »
I dry fire every few days.   Usually with the VP9.  I do it in between commercials or game loading (Xbox).  And it's only a few shots here and there.  The man thing I work on is making sure the trigger pull is even.  So I usually line up my front sight with the line on the wall to see if it flinches compared to the straight line on the wall. 

When I do dry fire, I have another pistol on the table next to me.  Just in case I need the gun, I don't have time to drop mag of snap caps and load real rounds.  Plus when I dry fire, I keep the real ammo out of arms reach.  Don't want to load a live mag in by mistake due to habit.

And at most, I'm wearing boxers.  But many times butt ass naked.  So no battle belt. =P

Surprised the Mrs. with apply a TQ.  I threw it at her and said "train, train, train.  My leg is squiring blood.  What do you do?".  I was butt ass naked.  She's like "move so I can wrap the TQ around you leg".  My response, "I'm unconscious, so it's dead weight.  Figure it out".  She did and successfully applied the TQ.  Since I was naked, I was hoping it would end with a BJ, but it didn't. =(

changemyoil66

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2018, 10:01:05 AM »
After not doing anything for over a month, I have been doing dry fire and live fire and type 2 and 3 malfunction practice a lot more.  I am going to Front Sight in October and don't want to embarass myself.  I find my Crimson Trace green laser is very helpful in seeing how much your point of aim is moving. 

Also bought 2 new holsters, one IWB and one OWB to accommodate the laser sight.  I have found it much faster to accurately hit your target when drawing from your holster as you don't need to get a sight picture.

Keep us posted about the class later.

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2018, 10:03:37 AM »
I've got a mix of targets on my wall in my garage and have tape on the ground at varying distances.  I'll grab the ol SIRT gun and "battle belt" and head down at least once a week and put half an hour to an hour of draws, reloads and target transitions.
Hope you're at least wearing underwear when you do so!   :o  :rofl:

I should use my SIRT more often.  Sometimes I forget I even have it. 

For a while, I was doing pistol reloads with dummy rounds.  What brought this up was that I was going to start doing reloads with ARs, as well as with the AK.  Really wish I could to the reloads with those more live, but just don't have at much time, and range availability, so do as often as I would like. 


Dryfire is like exercising for me.  I have all of the equipment needed, know I should do it and plan on doing it but when it comes time to do it Ill say Ill do it next time.

If I can get into a regular rythym ill practice on a target in the hallway or use the laserapp.  I have to work on my left hand shooting and the double action revolver.
Yeah, I hear you on the exercise analogy.  However, like exercise, key (at least for me) is to get into a routine.  Starting the routine is the hard part. 

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 10:05:28 AM »
After not doing anything for over a month, I have been doing dry fire and live fire and type 2 and 3 malfunction practice a lot more.  I am going to Front Sight in October and don't want to embarass myself.  I find my Crimson Trace green laser is very helpful in seeing how much your point of aim is moving. 

Also bought 2 new holsters, one IWB and one OWB to accommodate the laser sight.  I have found it much faster to accurately hit your target when drawing from your holster as you don't need to get a sight picture.
I recently got an RMR for my Glock 17 and I've found that watching the dot also helps with picking up issues.  The SIRT is good too, but I've found that manipulating the actual trigger helps. 

Rocky

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 10:11:03 AM »
    As it's just me and Rockette, our SIRT is always just "laying around" on a coffee table, kitchen counter, furniture wherever.
You pass it, you pick it up, so always practicing grip,sight and picture alignment and trigger pull.
Stance is sometimes optional as I may pick it up off of the coffee table and fire while in a reclined position.  ;)
Surprise myself occasionally with the accuracy of instinctive.

   Need to get more SBR dry fire time in but I don't leave that out and about so like all others, scheduling and sticking to it is the key.
I still get out once a week for a couple hours live fire though.

Sounds like I should be bringing out my TQ more often too !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

« Last Edit: July 18, 2018, 10:17:29 AM by Rocky »
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drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 10:13:19 AM »
I dry fire every few days.   Usually with the VP9.  I do it in between commercials or game loading (Xbox).  And it's only a few shots here and there.  The man thing I work on is making sure the trigger pull is even.  So I usually line up my front sight with the line on the wall to see if it flinches compared to the straight line on the wall. 

When I do dry fire, I have another pistol on the table next to me.  Just in case I need the gun, I don't have time to drop mag of snap caps and load real rounds.  Plus when I dry fire, I keep the real ammo out of arms reach.  Don't want to load a live mag in by mistake due to habit.

And at most, I'm wearing boxers.  But many times butt ass naked.  So no battle belt. =P

Surprised the Mrs. with apply a TQ.  I threw it at her and said "train, train, train.  My leg is squiring blood.  What do you do?".  I was butt ass naked.  She's like "move so I can wrap the TQ around you leg".  My response, "I'm unconscious, so it's dead weight.  Figure it out".  She did and successfully applied the TQ.  Since I was naked, I was hoping it would end with a BJ, but it didn't. =(
I also dry fire when watching TV at times.  I'll say "whenever X comes on the TV again" then present and pull trigger when they come on. 

As for your training scenarios  :rofl: You have to tell her that after taking off the TQ, that she has to make sure blood flow has been fully restored, everywhere. . .

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 10:18:40 AM »
As it's just me and Rockette, our SIRT is alway's just "laying around" on a coffee table, kitchen counter, furniture wherever.
You pass it, you pick it up, so always practicing grip,sight and picture alignment and trigger pull.
Surprise myself occasionally with the accuracy of instinctive.
I wish they made sensors like the old school laser tag ones for SIRT pistols, where you can wear and tell if you've been shot. 

Drakiir84

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 10:34:43 AM »
Hope you're at least wearing underwear when you do so!   :o  :rofl:

What I answered the door in the other day is pretty much the least clothes I wear while at home lol.  Also, my garage doesn't have a door ;-)
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 12:06:25 PM »
Sounds like good tales for the "Do you clean your guns" thread a while back.
Both guns were actually cleaned prior to putting them away.  I think the AR was shot at a one day class, so a good amount of rounds.  I don't clean the lower that thoroughly though.

For the Glock 34, I am not sure what happened.  I think this one batch of MPro 7 I was using to clean woudl dry and leave a thin white residue.  I'm guessing buildup of that gummed things up. 

changemyoil66

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 12:42:06 PM »
Both guns were actually cleaned prior to putting them away.  I think the AR was shot at a one day class, so a good amount of rounds.  I don't clean the lower that thoroughly though.

For the Glock 34, I am not sure what happened.  I think this one batch of MPro 7 I was using to clean woudl dry and leave a thin white residue.  I'm guessing buildup of that gummed things up.

I guess gotta function check all guns every other month or so, just to make sure.

For some reason, the AR500 steal plates said to "store up right".  Called the manufacturer and he said, no matter.

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 12:51:29 PM »
I guess gotta function check all guns every other month or so, just to make sure.

For some reason, the AR500 steal plates said to "store up right".  Called the manufacturer and he said, no matter.
I guess if I shot my 34 more often, probably wouldn't have gummed up.  So maybe that was the gun's way of saying it wanted attention.  ;D

You stole AR500 plates :P

zippz

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 07:11:39 PM »
When I do dry fire, I have another pistol on the table next to me.  Just in case I need the gun, I don't have time to drop mag of snap caps and load real rounds.  Plus when I dry fire, I keep the real ammo out of arms reach.  Don't want to load a live mag in by mistake due to habit.

Shouldn't have a loaded gun near you when dryfiring.  Keep it in a lockbox near you or have a can of pepper spray instead.  I know it sounds obvious that you're not going to fire the loaded gun accidentally but it happens.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2018, 10:33:44 PM »
This might be of use.  Front sight hands out a sheet for each course with dry fire rules.  They also sell them individually or as a complete set.  Most of the same info is available for free on other sites.


http://www.drypractice.com/faq.html

https://www.frontsight.com/gun-training-manuals.asp



This page has a Dry Practice Checklist, similar to Front Sight's.

https://www.usacarry.com/guide-to-dry-practice/
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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shdws

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 11:09:56 AM »
I've been banging on my glock for the past week - havent had much time to get to the range lately.  Do it away from loved ones, as they will quickly become not-loved-ones with all the irritating click-clack.   :D

This is a generic laser cartridge (ebay) that lights up where you shoot, so at least you know if you're hitting what you're aiming at while you practice that trigger pull.  Its not rimmed so you can keep racking the slide to reset the trigger without it ejecting.  They're meant to be used with an app on your phone pointed at a target to record hits, but I rarely do that and just watch where the dot hits.  I use the G-Sight LTP app over the iTarget Pro as for some reason, it registers hits better for me (YMMV).

drck1000

Re: Importance of Dry Fire - What Do You Do?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 11:34:14 AM »
I've been banging on my glock for the past week - havent had much time to get to the range lately.  Do it away from loved ones, as they will quickly become not-loved-ones with all the irritating click-clack.   :D

This is a generic laser cartridge (ebay) that lights up where you shoot, so at least you know if you're hitting what you're aiming at while you practice that trigger pull.  Its not rimmed so you can keep racking the slide to reset the trigger without it ejecting.  They're meant to be used with an app on your phone pointed at a target to record hits, but I rarely do that and just watch where the dot hits.  I use the G-Sight LTP app over the iTarget Pro as for some reason, it registers hits better for me (YMMV).
I have one of those laser cartridges, but it's for my HK USP 40 Compact and I rarely shoot that gun and almost never dry fire it.  Not sure if it's still available, but it was meant to be partnered with this electronic target, maybe 5"-6" square that would register hits.  It was pretty cool, but I never bought it.