2018 OHA candidates OAHU (Read 2760 times)

passivekinetic

2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« on: August 08, 2018, 11:18:43 AM »
https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/07/candidate-qa-oha-oahu-trustee-sam-king/

Sam King is the only one with a good answer:

4. What are your views regarding Hawaiian independence?

If this refers to independence from the United States, I do not think that is a good idea. The U.S. is the greatest country in human history, and Hawaii has outsized influence over U.S. policy. We have two senators in Congress for our small population, giving each Hawaiian voter a larger impact. Currently we get billions of dollars from the federal government, and I’ve yet to see an independence plan that would be more beneficial to the Hawaiian people.

Additionally, what would we do with independence? Who would lead us? Would we restrict our leadership pool based on race? Would those race-based leaders subject themselves to the kinds of audits that exposed the waste and abuse at OHA this year? There are too many unknowns to make this a viable plan.


I have no info on the At-Large candidates and will abstain from voting for them, unless someone else has info and can post guidance here.
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mrgaf

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2018, 12:51:50 PM »
https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/07/candidate-qa-oha-oahu-trustee-sam-king/

Sam King is the only one with a good answer:

4. What are your views regarding Hawaiian independence?

If this refers to independence from the United States, I do not think that is a good idea. The U.S. is the greatest country in human history, and Hawaii has outsized influence over U.S. policy. We have two senators in Congress for our small population, giving each Hawaiian voter a larger impact. Currently we get billions of dollars from the federal government, and I’ve yet to see an independence plan that would be more beneficial to the Hawaiian people.

Additionally, what would we do with independence? Who would lead us? Would we restrict our leadership pool based on race? Would those race-based leaders subject themselves to the kinds of audits that exposed the waste and abuse at OHA this year? There are too many unknowns to make this a viable plan.


I have no info on the At-Large candidates and will abstain from voting for them, unless someone else has info and can post guidance here.
IMHO I think that native Hawaiians must be legally recognized as the indigenous people of Hawaii as as such, since Hawaii is part of the US, recognized as Native Americans with all the benefits therein. Being 25% Mohawk, I don’t like using the term “reservation” so maybe a nation within a nation would b more appropriate.......
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

changemyoil66

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 01:14:11 PM »
IMHO I think that native Hawaiians must be legally recognized as the indigenous people of Hawaii as as such, since Hawaii is part of the US, recognized as Native Americans with all the benefits therein. Being 25% Mohawk, I don’t like using the term “reservation” so maybe a nation within a nation would b more appropriate.......

Didn't GW Bush do this?  I'm not 100% sure.

The only benefit to being sovereign would be to allow Hawaiian Casino's.  But then it goes to, who will get the profit checks if any?  I knew a guy who was part of a tribe and he would get $4k a month just for being a member of that tribe.  He didn't work, just cruise at the beach all day.



One of my fav vids of him and his "isms"

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 05:36:29 PM »
https://www.civilbeat.org/2018/07/candidate-qa-oha-oahu-trustee-sam-king/

Sam King is the only one with a good answer:

4. What are your views regarding Hawaiian independence?

If this refers to independence from the United States, I do not think that is a good idea. The U.S. is the greatest country in human history, and Hawaii has outsized influence over U.S. policy. We have two senators in Congress for our small population, giving each Hawaiian voter a larger impact. Currently we get billions of dollars from the federal government, and I’ve yet to see an independence plan that would be more beneficial to the Hawaiian people.

Additionally, what would we do with independence? Who would lead us? Would we restrict our leadership pool based on race? Would those race-based leaders subject themselves to the kinds of audits that exposed the waste and abuse at OHA this year? There are too many unknowns to make this a viable plan.


I have no info on the At-Large candidates and will abstain from voting for them, unless someone else has info and can post guidance here.


So, are you basing your vote for OHA candidate Sam King on his views regarding Hawaiian Independence?

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 05:39:24 PM »
IMHO I think that native Hawaiians must be legally recognized as the indigenous people of Hawaii as as such, since Hawaii is part of the US, recognized as Native Americans with all the benefits therein.

Hawaii is not legally part of the US.  It is illegally occupied by the US under US Constitutional Law.


Being 25% Mohawk, I don’t like using the term “reservation” so maybe a nation within a nation would b more appropriate.......

Once again, nation within a nation is legally irrelevant because the Kingdom of Hawaii never lost its sovereignty.

ren

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 05:44:48 PM »
Hawaii is not legally part of the US.  It is illegally occupied by the US under US Constitutional Law.
Once again, nation within a nation is legally irrelevant because the Kingdom of Hawaii never lost its sovereignty.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Which Kingdom of Hawaii is this? And who  is its King?  There are several that lay claim.

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 05:55:39 PM »
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Which Kingdom of Hawaii is this? And who  is its King?  There are several that lay claim.


There is only one Kingdom of Hawaii.

To my knowledge, there is no ruling monarch at this time.  Those who currently are claiming the throne has no legal basis to do so.

ren

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2018, 06:01:18 PM »

There is only one Kingdom of Hawaii.

To my knowledge, there is no ruling monarch at this time.  Those who currently are claiming the throne has no legal basis to do so.

Is open carry legal in the Kingdom of Hawaii?

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2018, 07:39:20 PM »
Is open carry legal in the Kingdom of Hawaii?

I surely would hope so.

changemyoil66

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2018, 07:49:57 PM »
If not they never learn from the first overthrow.

But on fb, these are the same aunties against ccw/open carry.
Is open carry legal in the Kingdom of Hawaii?

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mrgaf

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2018, 09:07:55 PM »


Was wondering when you would pop up with your B.S. Kitchigai, des!
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 09:29:03 PM »
Was wondering when you would pop up with your B.S. Kitchigai, des!

Like a moth to a flame ...   :rofl:
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.

mrgaf

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2018, 10:08:43 PM »
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2018, 10:10:20 PM »
Was wondering when you would pop up with your B.S. Kitchigai, des!

You are the one with the B.S.

ren

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2018, 08:49:15 AM »
I think OHA is a sham. It is just an extension of cronyism in Hawaii. Exclusive contracts and deals that arent serving their mission but serving board members. Sad. The last bit of news was some grand standing by Lei Ahu Isa of how she left an accident and threw down her "Im an OHA trustee" card. These people think they are above the people when they are servants of the people. Act like it.

mrgaf

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2018, 08:53:52 AM »
You are the one with the B.S.
Go away little boy troll.... :wave:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Kuleana

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2018, 03:04:05 PM »
I think OHA is a sham. It is just an extension of cronyism in Hawaii. Exclusive contracts and deals that arent serving their mission but serving board members. Sad. The last bit of news was some grand standing by Lei Ahu Isa of how she left an accident and threw down her "Im an OHA trustee" card. These people think they are above the people when they are servants of the people. Act like it.


OHA is a disgrace for all Native Hawaiians.

OHA is nothing more than a money broker that takes US federal dollars and hands much of it to questionable organizations, whose initiatives do not necessarily serve for the betterment of Native Hawaiians.  The fact that Native Hawaiians are still on the bottom rung of every major socio-economic measure in Hawaii is empirical evidence of OHA's failure since its creation.

Native Hawaiians should not place their faith and well-being in OHA or any US assistance, but work towards restoring their illegally occupied nation and gain self-sufficiency by their own means.

mrgaf

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 10:17:57 PM »

OHA is a disgrace for all Native Hawaiians.

OHA is nothing more than a money broker that takes US federal dollars and hands much of it to questionable organizations, whose initiatives do not necessarily serve for the betterment of Native Hawaiians.  The fact that Native Hawaiians are still on the bottom rung of every major socio-economic measure in Hawaii is empirical evidence of OHA's failure since its creation.

Native Hawaiians should not place their faith and well-being in OHA or any US assistance, but work towards restoring their illegally occupied nation and gain self-sufficiency by their own means.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wave:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

ren

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2018, 10:24:40 PM »

OHA is a disgrace for all Native Hawaiians.

OHA is nothing more than a money broker that takes US federal dollars and hands much of it to questionable organizations, whose initiatives do not necessarily serve for the betterment of Native Hawaiians.  The fact that Native Hawaiians are still on the bottom rung of every major socio-economic measure in Hawaii is empirical evidence of OHA's failure since its creation.

Native Hawaiians should not place their faith and well-being in OHA or any US assistance, but work towards restoring their illegally occupied nation and gain self-sufficiency by their own means.

So what's the plan to retake this illegally occupied nation?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2018 OHA candidates OAHU
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2018, 11:06:25 PM »
So what's the plan to retake this illegally occupied nation?

 :sleeping:

It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.