Glock vs 1911 (Read 16039 times)

stangzilla

Glock vs 1911
« on: August 28, 2018, 01:01:31 PM »
both in 45acp
I don't own any Glock's, but I've shot a few and I know they are very well made handguns, very dependable
besides wheelguns, I love me some 1911's!   :shaka:
I just like the all steel construction, the history in the 1911, and its just American like apple pie and hot dogs.
what do you prefer and why?
let the beaten horse get beat some more!


drck1000

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 01:09:25 PM »
If you’re talking Glock 21 to a 1911 in .45. ACP, I’d probably go for a 1911. Neither would be my “go-to” handgun, so in .45 ACP range and fun gun, I’d go for a 1911.

I haven’t shot 21s that much, so who knows. I might enjoy it more if I owned one and was able to shoot it more and get used to it. I don’t own a 1911 in .45 ACP, but I’ve shot them quite a bit.

Now any Glock vs and 1911, that might be a different story.

Direjackalope

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2018, 01:26:47 PM »
My heart is big enough for both but I’ve had zero problems with my glocks where as I’ve had failures to feed, failures to eject, stove pipes, nose dives and failures to go into battery with my 1911. (Magazine problems some might say but the mag is as much a part of the gun as anything). I’m from the school that says “Show your friends your 1911 and show your enemies your glock.” 

stangzilla

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2018, 01:31:52 PM »
“Show your friends your 1911 and show your enemies your glock.”

that's a good one!

changemyoil66

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2018, 01:34:43 PM »
HK45 (Mac would be proud).

Direjackalope

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2018, 01:36:22 PM »
that's a good one!

No idea who said it first but I can’t take credit for it. The other good one I heard was my 1911 is my show horse and my Glock is my work horse.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2018, 01:50:35 PM »
Standard capacity for a 1911 is 7 + 1.  With an empty mag, weight is 32.44 oz.  With a loaded mag, 37.69 oz.

Standard capacity for a G21 is 13 +1.  With an empty mag, weight is 29.28 oz.  With a loaded mag, 38.80 oz.

Ounce for ounce, the Glock offers almost twice as much firepower as a 1911 for only one more ounce depending on the specific 1911. 

If I'm carrying a firearm, the Glock is the better choice.

As for shooting preference, nothing says "gun" like a 1911. Ergonomically, it's what all other handguns are compared to for a reason.

To me, preference is situational. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Drakiir84

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2018, 01:52:31 PM »
Standard capacity for a 1911 is 7 + 1.  With an empty mag, weight is 32.44 oz.  With a loaded mag, 37.69 oz.

Standard capacity for a G21 is 13 +1.  With an empty mag, weight is 29.28 oz.  With a loaded mag, 38.80 oz.

Ounce for ounce, the Glock offers almost twice as much firepower as a 1911 for only one more ounce depending on the specific 1911. 

If I'm carrying a firearm, the Glock is the better choice.

As for shooting preference, nothing says "gun" like a 1911. Ergonomically, it's what all other handguns are compared to for a reason.

To me, preference is situational.

10+1*  ;) :D ;) :D
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

2ahavvaii

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2018, 01:53:38 PM »
10+1*  ;) :D ;) :D

lol i was about to say the same

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2018, 01:56:38 PM »
10+1*  ;) :D ;) :D

State limits != Standard Capacity
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2018, 02:01:57 PM »
Now that I see the specs, I would go with the G21 as my carry if I had to choose between the 2 because it can hold more rounds and I don't have to by a base plate extension to make it a 10 rounder.

But for just target shooting, I would go with the 1911.  Looks cooler.

Inspector

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2018, 02:45:57 PM »
It’s hard for me to say this as I do not own either gun even though I do own a G-17. I have shot both, mostly the 1911’s. Personally I prefer the 1911 (all steel versions) as they have much better triggers generally speaking and are much more controllable due to the added weight. And if you get an upgraded model the sights are generally more to my liking (better) as well.

With that said, the trigger on the Glock is horrible. Except for one thing, with all the practice I did with my G-17 I got pretty good with the Glock trigger and it doesn’t bother me like it used to. I think the 1911 is easier to shoot for someone who is not going to put in a lot of time to practice very much. If you are willing to put in the practice you can get good with a Glock. But you will also be good with the 1911.

For carrying I would still probably carry the 1911 though I believe the Glock would actually be a better choice for most.

One last thing, Glocks are FUGLY. JMHO
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stangzilla

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 04:00:22 PM »
I have 2 polymer pistols:  Springfield XDm, and Ruger American pistol;  and 3 1911's:  Ruger SR1911 CMD, Springfield Range Officer Operator, and Springfield Range Officer Elite Target.  all are in 45acp
the one that I can shoot most accurately is the Range Officer Elite, maybe bc of the target adjustable sights, better trigger and the added weight of the 1911
the one that I shoot the least accurately is the Ruger American pistol.  and its probably the one I shoot the least, could be why I shoot it the worst.
the most reliable are the Springfield XDm and the Springfield Range Officer Operator.  I've never had a problem with either one right out of the box
if I were going to carry one it would be the XDm bc its lighter and holds a couple more rounds, and the ergonomics is better for me.
Although I really like the 1911, my hands are more on the medium size, and I think the 1911 was made for a larger hand than mine.  I have to shift my hand slightly to press the mag release.  that's really the only issue I have with the size of the 1911
the XDm I don't have to shift my hand at all.  although the trigger isn't that great.
I have a few firearms that are purposeful, meaning I would use in a SHTF scenario.  but most of my firearms I have are bc I just like them and like to shoot them.  to me, having a firearm that is the best for carry or self defense isn't always my #1 priority.

drck1000

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 05:26:55 PM »
I have a few firearms that are purposeful, meaning I would use in a SHTF scenario.  but most of my firearms I have are bc I just like them and like to shoot them.  to me, having a firearm that is the best for carry or self defense isn't always my #1 priority.
I agree. Everyone is going to have a preference for guns in general. I have preferences for defense, competition, just because, etc. That’s part of the fun of being a gun nut.

I mean given enough funds, I’d love to own a Glock 21 and a bunch of 1911s. I don’t discriminate. If someone has a preference for guns I don’t care for, rock on. I just don’t care for folks who are all about X gun and their opinions are based on having maybe owned one and never shot it, or rarely shoot it.

I definitely prefer Glock for many uses for many reasons. Doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy shooting others or wouldn’t consider other guns to try to replace the Glock, even for defensive use. I’m no 1911 hater, but for me, they are primarily for range gun as in general they take a lot more work to run reliably than Glocks.

robtmc

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2018, 07:50:11 PM »
10+1*
I wanted a backup to my "self" tuned 1911, just to feel that if I had gone overboard...........

Handled the 21 and the 30 Glocks.  The 21 did indeed feel large, and the 30 felt about right, for Glocks at any rate.  A model 22 felt far better, but I wanted another .45 to keep ammo supply simple.

With magazines stuck at 10, no reason I could see for the 21 in Hawaii.  If i wanted a full size pistol, will stick with my 1911.  The 1911 sits in the hand better than the 21, I suppose due to more metal mass in the rear.  The 30 with shorter barrel/slide felt a bit more balanced.

Triggers are still an issue, after decades of tuned single action Colts.  The Glock frame/trigger guard causes me to have a lot of finger drag that irritates me.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2018, 08:07:43 PM »
I wanted a backup to my "self" tuned 1911, just to feel that if I had gone overboard...........

Handled the 21 and the 30 Glocks.  The 21 did indeed feel large, and the 30 felt about right, for Glocks at any rate.  A model 22 felt far better, but I wanted another .45 to keep ammo supply simple.

With magazines stuck at 10, no reason I could see for the 21 in Hawaii.  If i wanted a full size pistol, will stick with my 1911.  The 1911 sits in the hand better than the 21, I suppose due to more metal mass in the rear.  The 30 with shorter barrel/slide felt a bit more balanced.

Triggers are still an issue, after decades of tuned single action Colts.  The Glock frame/trigger guard causes me to have a lot of finger drag that irritates me.

My G30 was a compromise -- wasn't sure it would be my CCW choice, but it was an option.  Standard 10 rd mags meant not feeling like I was neutering my Glock.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2018, 11:23:27 PM »
One thing to remember is, not all 1911s are created equal.  I have a Sig Sauer 1911 Fastback Nightmare 45ACP.  My mags hold 8 rds vs. the normal 7 rds. 

I used the Colt M1911 specs earlier, since I figure that's a good baseline for discussion purposes.

So, when making comparisons, it helps to nail down a specific model or design first.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Wake27

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2018, 12:26:57 AM »
One thing to remember is, not all 1911s are created equal.

This is a very important part of the debate. A Glock 19 having a malfunction is different than a 1911 having a malfunction. Typically, the more money that is poorer into a Glock, the less reliable it gets whereas the opposite is true. It’s easy to hand-wave the aspects for discussion and claim that both are of equal reliability, but the cost difference there will likely be pretty big.

Personally, I love the 1911 and I’ll orobably shoot the platform a lot more when I get a 9mm, but if it’s for anything other than range fun, my Glock will be used.

Drakiir84

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 08:00:30 AM »
I wanted a backup to my "self" tuned 1911, just to feel that if I had gone overboard...........

Handled the 21 and the 30 Glocks.  The 21 did indeed feel large, and the 30 felt about right, for Glocks at any rate.  A model 22 felt far better, but I wanted another .45 to keep ammo supply simple.

With magazines stuck at 10, no reason I could see for the 21 in Hawaii.  If i wanted a full size pistol, will stick with my 1911.  The 1911 sits in the hand better than the 21, I suppose due to more metal mass in the rear.  The 30 with shorter barrel/slide felt a bit more balanced.

Triggers are still an issue, after decades of tuned single action Colts.  The Glock frame/trigger guard causes me to have a lot of finger drag that irritates me.

Hawaii's 10 round limit is, to me, the only argument for 45 over 9mm.  Obviously off topic since this is an apples to apples discussion in regards to ammunition.  That being said, I will always choose 9mm over 45 because of cost and availability and because of the box of "magazine repair kits" I have in my safe lol.

As for Glock vs. 1911.... I'd get a $5000 Nighthawk Custom before I bought a Glock in 45... because I'll probably never own either so I might as well shoot for the moon lol.
"The rifle is a weapon. Let there be no mistake about that. It is a tool of power, and thus dependent completely upon the moral stature of its user. It is equally useful in securing meat for the table, destroying group enemies on the battlefield, and resisting tyranny. In fact, it is the only means of resisting tyranny, since a citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized."
-Jeff Cooper

oldfart

Re: Glock vs 1911
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 09:09:15 AM »
I loves me 1911's for range shootin".
For CCW, I like SW, Glock, colt officer acp. Depends on the situation.


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