My comment to the article: Huh. That's where I live. Wondered what the multiple sirens were about. That's where I take walks on the roads. That's where I'm not allowed to legally bear arms for self-defense outside my home. That's where last year someone was carjacked at gunpoint on the same roads. That's where two years ago multiple home invaders broke the skull of a homeowner. The cops always arrive in time to take a report or bag the body. Good to know. I'll be sure to comply with all laws, because as we can see, the criminals are complying as well, so I know things are on an even scale.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/11/25/hawaii-news/police-id-victim-in-fatal-puna-shooting/

Police ID victim in fatal Puna shooting

Police have identified the man killed in a Saturday afternoon roadside shooting incident in Puna as 45-year old Denton Freitas of Mountain View.

According to police, officers responded at about 1:45 p.m. to Fern Acres after a resident reported hearing multiple gunshots in the area of Anthurium Street.

As officers were responding to the scene, a passing motorist reported seeing a body on the side of the road on Anthurium Street.

Arriving officers discovered Freitas’ body face down on the side of Anthurium Street with apparent gunshot wounds to his body and spent casings nearby.

The incident has been classified as a murder and Hilo Criminal Investigation Section is investigating. An autopsy has been ordered.

Doper shootout?  Keep reading about the drug use and production over there.

Doper shootout?  Keep reading about the drug use and production over there.

Lots of drugs all over here.  Most are MJ.  It is the meth guys you worry about.
Typically we encourage meth guys to leave NOW!
Most everyone else is  on Hawaiian time.
If you think requiring a permit to carry,  stops someone from carrying,
you are delusional.

Lots of drugs all over here.  Most are MJ.  It is the meth guys you worry about.
Typically we encourage meth guys to leave NOW!
Most everyone else is  on Hawaiian time.
If you think requiring a permit to carry,  stops someone from carrying,
you are delusional.

Since the guys in the car that shot and killed the dead guy on the side of the road obviously don't have a carry license (no one does in the whole state), it must mean that they had unloaded firearms in an enclosed container and were on their way to or from a place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and a place of repair; a target range; a licensed dealer's place of business; an organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit; a place of formal hunter or firearm use, training, or instruction; or a police station.

I mean, what other explanation could there be? Otherwise, they'd get in trouble.

Since the guys in the car that shot and killed the dead guy on the side of the road obviously don't have a carry license (no one does in the whole state), it must mean that they had unloaded firearms in an enclosed container and were on their way to or from a place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and a place of repair; a target range; a licensed dealer's place of business; an organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit; a place of formal hunter or firearm use, training, or instruction; or a police station.

I mean, what other explanation could there be? Otherwise, they'd get in trouble.

Get ready for more gun laws, but no more MJ or schedule 1 narc laws additions.

In Fern Forest, the roads are privately owned and does not belong to the County.  So I don’t think a cop could give you a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt or talking on your cellphone while driving.  Am I right or wrong?  That being said, when I go outside my gate to mow the grass on both sides of the road on my riding mower, I go about 200 feet pass the edges of my property and I am carrying my Glock 19 OWB, with my T shirt over it.  The lots are vacant and nobody mows the grass except for the subdivision road maintenance crew every couple months.  Could I be arrested for unlawful carrying of a firearm?  I am on private property.   I know most of us are not lawyers, but a lot of you have pretty sharp legal minds.  Your opinion please.

"Technically", i.e. according to how the law actually reads, as opposed to how a particular law enforcement officer or agency might choose to interpret and enforce it, there is no mention of any exception (such as private property) to the illegality of bearing a firearm outside one's home or business unless one has a currently valid CCW or open carry license granted by the police department of the county. Just like, technically, according to the way the law is actually worded, it is illegal to stop anywhere or deviate from the most direct route when traveling between any of the legal locations to and from which a firearm may be transported (e.g. can't stop to get gas or use a bathroom or into the fast food drive-through or head over to Home Depot to get a can of paint with the properly encased unloaded firearm in the car). [And they wonder why people have so little respect for their laws?!]

Now, even if they drive by you on your mower how are they going to know you are concealed carrying? And even if they did, why would they care? Unless they are investigating a roadside murder and have some articulable reasonable suspicion that would warrant a search of you.

It's pretty much they can do whatever they want... and they can be as arbitrary and capricious in their actions as they are in their interpretations of "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", wherein not one single person ("ordinary law-abiding citizen") in the entire state may lawfully bear arms outside their home or business.

But I could be completely wrong.

You are right that there is no way of “them” knowing I was carrying.  Come to think of it, in the four years I have lived here and gone outside to mow the grass, there has never been a single instance of a car driving by while I was mowing.  Don't get much traffic where I am and I like it that way.

Well, as some suspected, the murdered person was no choir boy. We seems to have quite a bit of this sort of thing in my subdivision (Or am I paranoid to wonder about the cars driving back and forth, back and forth between 2 and 4 AM?):

Homicide victim had troubled past

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/11/27/hawaii-news/homicide-victim-had-troubled-past/

A 45-year-old Mountain View man apparently shot to death Saturday afternoon along a Puna subdivision roadside had a troubled history, according to court records.

Denton Edmund Lee Freitas had a criminal record dating back to 1997, when he was sentenced to a year in jail and five years probation for first-degree terroristic threatening, a Class C felony.

He was also convicted of misdemeanor assault in 2002, shoplifting in 2017, was sentenced to 180 days for domestic abuse in 2002 and 2015, and was incarcerated as recently as last month for violating his probation for domestic abuse and violating a temporary restraining order.

He also had numerous convictions for contempt of court, twice garnering 90-day jail sentences.

Records also show a pending Dec. 5 court date for Freitas, now moot, on the probation violations.

You are right that there is no way of “them” knowing I was carrying.  Come to think of it, in the four years I have lived here and gone outside to mow the grass, there has never been a single instance of a car driving by while I was mowing.  Don't get much traffic where I am and I like it that way.

There's one problem with that theory:  Murphy's Law.

There may be no predictable reason for them to search you and find that weapon, but circumstances beyond your control might create a scenario where you are approached by them, and in the course of their interaction you are detained and searched for weapons "to ensure their safety".  Heck, a neighbor who just suspects you are carrying could call 911 and report "a man carrying a gun".  That's all "they" need to perform an investigation without needing a warrant.

You never know what events will transpire to put you in a specific situation. 

There's one problem with that theory:  Murphy's Law.

There may be no predictable reason for them to search you and find that weapon, but circumstances beyond your control might create a scenario where you are approached by them, and in the course of their interaction you are detained and searched for weapons "to ensure their safety".  Heck, a neighbor who just suspects you are carrying could call 911 and report "a man carrying a gun".  That's all "they" need to perform an investigation without needing a warrant.

You never know what events will transpire to put you in a specific situation.

Hahaha.  I haven't even seen my neighbor for over 5 months.  Don't think your probable scenario would ever happen, and if it ever came to where I really wished I had my gun, then at least I will have it.  I see or hear maybe 3 or 4 cars a day drive pass my house.  Houses where I am are couple hundred yards or further and there is dense ohia and strawberry guava growth making it very difficult, if not impossible to see my neighbor.

Hahaha.  I haven't even seen my neighbor for over 5 months.  Don't think your probable scenario would ever happen, and if it ever came to where I really wished I had my gun, then at least I will have it.  I see or hear maybe 3 or 4 cars a day drive pass my house.  Houses where I am are couple hundred yards or further and there is dense ohia and strawberry guava growth making it very difficult, if not impossible to see my neighbor.

Just because you haven't seen your neighbors doesn't mean they haven't seen you.   

There's one problem with that theory:  Murphy's Law.

There may be no predictable reason for them to search you and find that weapon, but circumstances beyond your control might create a scenario where you are approached by them, and in the course of their interaction you are detained and searched for weapons "to ensure their safety".  Heck, a neighbor who just suspects you are carrying could call 911 and report "a man carrying a gun".  That's all "they" need to perform an investigation without needing a warrant.

You never know what events will transpire to put you in a specific situation.

That's how the ATF busted the guy with the SBR in the mainland.  Cops were at his house for something else and found it.  But he fought it in court and won.  But it probably cost him lots of attorney fees.

1 reason why I applied for a CCW (which was denied).  What if I get jacked while going to or coming back from the range.  I have my "enclosed/locked container" which is very obvious is a gun inside.  Then can be attacked and taken into my home to jack more of my stuff inside.  Now there's more guns on the street. 

Hahaha.  I haven't even seen my neighbor for over 5 months.  Don't think your probable scenario would ever happen, and if it ever came to where I really wished I had my gun, then at least I will have it.  I see or hear maybe 3 or 4 cars a day drive pass my house.  Houses where I am are couple hundred yards or further and there is dense ohia and strawberry guava growth making it very difficult, if not impossible to see my neighbor.

I am not sure many people will understand unless they have been in your neighborhood.

My comment to the article: Huh. That's where I live. Wondered what the multiple sirens were about. That's where I take walks on the roads. That's where I'm not allowed to legally bear arms for self-defense outside my home. That's where last year someone was carjacked at gunpoint on the same roads. That's where two years ago multiple home invaders broke the skull of a homeowner. The cops always arrive in time to take a report or bag the body. Good to know. I'll be sure to comply with all laws, because as we can see, the criminals are complying as well, so I know things are on an even scale.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/11/25/hawaii-news/police-id-victim-in-fatal-puna-shooting/

Police ID victim in fatal Puna shooting

Police have identified the man killed in a Saturday afternoon roadside shooting incident in Puna as 45-year old Denton Freitas of Mountain View.

According to police, officers responded at about 1:45 p.m. to Fern Acres after a resident reported hearing multiple gunshots in the area of Anthurium Street.

As officers were responding to the scene, a passing motorist reported seeing a body on the side of the road on Anthurium Street.

Arriving officers discovered Freitas’ body face down on the side of Anthurium Street with apparent gunshot wounds to his body and spent casings nearby.

The incident has been classified as a murder and Hilo Criminal Investigation Section is investigating. An autopsy has been ordered.

I lived on Plumeria around PP 78. I loved it in there. One day I found bicycle tracks coming in around the gate from the street past the carport past our bedroom and living room. I don’t know if they saw my wife in there but I was worried someone was going to soon break in. A couple weeks later was a huge meth bust down our street closer to the highway. I installed some security devices anyway for my wife. We never had any problems but the Haole vetenarian couple across the street moved back to the mainland almost as quickly as they moved in. They paid off the rest of their lease. Hardly had time to stain the carpeting. 

I am not sure many people will understand unless they have been in your neighborhood.

I can imagine it is difficult for most Oahu people to comprehend the remoteness of some areas of the Big Island.  I tell my friends on Oahu that you could put three Pohakupu subdivisions (where I used to live on Oahu) in one block of of my current subdivision and have  room left over.  If all the people living in my subdivision was given an equal amount of space, each person would have about 583,000 sq. ft. of land area.

I can imagine it is difficult for most Oahu people to comprehend the remoteness of some areas of the Big Island.  I tell my friends on Oahu that you could put three Pohakupu subdivisions (where I used to live on Oahu) in one block of of my current subdivision and have  room left over.  If all the people living in my subdivision was given an equal amount of space, each person would have about 583,000 sq. ft. of land area.

I had to drive into your subdivision a few times. And I had this strange feeling I was being watched closely. Through a rifle scope. 

I had to drive into your subdivision a few times. And I had this strange feeling I was being watched closely. Through a rifle scope. 

Well, we were nbr 1 in 2016. LOL.
Now I think that distinction belongs to Punaperson's neighborhood.
One thing I do agree with the article, we have a lot of broke ass people living here.

Well, we were nbr 1 in 2016. LOL.
Now I think that distinction belongs to Punaperson's neighborhood.
One thing I do agree with the article, we have a lot of broke ass people living here.

I have an email acquaintance that went thru a complete description of how he lives in the Puna District. He gets $42k a year from a combo of fed and state assistance. They basically pays his rent and pays his expenses and he has enough money left over for alcohol and weed. His car is registered to a family member. He has more money in his mattress than I do in my savings account. So I think most of those living under the radar may be better off than most think they are. Only prob is he has to worry about how he spends his money. It makes me sick. Especially when I consider what my wife and I had to go thru to get SSDI for her. And I have to pay taxes on her SSDI. 

Here's the Big Island Video News video story from two days ago with a resident giving his take it (I like his comment on the neighborhood folk  ). Note the flora in the background and the quality of the road surface... that's chipseal, folks. It lasts a few years... we get 175 inches of rain per year on average. It's a great place for people who might want to be on the periphery of things, including law enforcement.

http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2018/11/25/video-police-identify-victim-in-fern-acres-murder/

Police Identify Victim In Fern Acres Murder