Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change (Read 23561 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2018, 09:53:54 AM »
New findings from NASA:

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Still, areas of the continent, like the Antarctic Peninsula photographed above, have increased their mass loss in the last decades.

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed   to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.“

Of course, the new argument is, that "new" ice isn't as "good" as the "old" ice that melted.

Somehow, ice that's over 1,000 years old is preferable to ice that's newly formed -- even if the overall amount of ice is larger.

 :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Q

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2018, 11:54:16 AM »
New findings from NASA:

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses

A new NASA study says that Antarctica is overall accumulating ice. Still, areas of the continent, like the Antarctic Peninsula photographed above, have increased their mass loss in the last decades.

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed   to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.“

If you were around in the 70s, wasnt there a panic being generated about global cooling and the unending winter approaching? I've watched documentaries and discussions  on it, but wasnt around to personally experience the panic.

While climate change is a real thing, it also works both ways, and for numerous reasons listed previously. For instance,  a mini-ice age occurred during the dark ages that contributed to the norse abandoning their colonies in Greenland because it became too cold to live there, along with constant alterations with the native peoples similar to the inuits. If you visit Greenland, the remains of those norse settlements still remains.  I believe this occurred to a lesser extent in the 70s, and scientists also predicted cooler earth temperatures in coming years, due to a reduction in solar energy, which occurs naturally.

It is true that humans are contributing to global warming via greenhouse excesd gas production,  but again,  it is due to the destruction of flora that can convert CO2 into oxygen,  and reducing/destroying the carbon sinks that restrict CO2 from escaping into the atmosphere, and the reason for that is the destruction of ecosystems to support population growth. Furthermore,  it is gases like methane that are significantly more dangerous than CO2, and methane is generated when carbon is allowed to decompose without sequestering or utilizing the methane gas generated from the process

So the Answer is simple: plant more forests, don't cut them down and reduce the human population to balance out the demand for resources and shelter.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2018, 11:59:44 AM by Q »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2018, 12:49:48 PM »
If you were around in the 70s, wasnt there a panic being generated about global cooling and the unending winter approaching? I've watched documentaries and discussions  on it, but wasnt around to personally experience the panic.

I was around -- born in 1961.  In elementary school, we got those little classroom Scholastic Magazine issues. They had lots of topics nationally and globally intended to "round out" local news.

There wasn't an issue I don't think that didn't have some dire prediction if "we" didn't stop some behavior that was causing the problem. First one I remember was how aerosol deodorant was responsible for depleted ozone, which was going to completely fry the surface of the Earth. Then there was overpopulation exceeding resources (mainly food), which was going to cause massive societal upheaval and a return to the dark ages.

Of course there were also predictions of the coming ice age that our factories, cars, trucks, railroads, etc. were ushering in.

I also remember one magazine said eggs were evil, and the cholesterol they contained were going to cause heart attacks in every single person who eats more than 3 per week.  A year later, eggs were being called "the perfect food" based on new studies.  Other protein sources compared to eggs were too high in saturated and poly-unsaturated fats.

Hurricanes, tornadoes, famine, gas shortages, pollution, holes in the ozone, cholesterol, saccharine, killer bees, species extinctions, .... there's no end to the number of apocalyptic predictions I've managed to survive!   :shake:

I learned at a young age not to believe everything I read.  First step to determine credibility: find out who paid for the study, and whether they benefit/profit from the findings presented.

"The Science Is Settled!!"


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2018, 01:17:30 PM »
I dont trust NASA. "New ice" means artic shelf. #flatearthsociety

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Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2018, 04:09:35 PM »
If you were around in the 70s, wasnt there a panic being generated about global cooling and the unending winter approaching? I've watched documentaries and discussions  on it, but wasnt around to personally experience the panic.

While climate change is a real thing, it also works both ways, and for numerous reasons listed previously. For instance,  a mini-ice age occurred during the dark ages that contributed to the norse abandoning their colonies in Greenland because it became too cold to live there, along with constant alterations with the native peoples similar to the inuits. If you visit Greenland, the remains of those norse settlements still remains.  I believe this occurred to a lesser extent in the 70s, and scientists also predicted cooler earth temperatures in coming years, due to a reduction in solar energy, which occurs naturally.

It is true that humans are contributing to global warming via greenhouse excesd gas production,  but again,  it is due to the destruction of flora that can convert CO2 into oxygen,  and reducing/destroying the carbon sinks that restrict CO2 from escaping into the atmosphere, and the reason for that is the destruction of ecosystems to support population growth. Furthermore,  it is gases like methane that are significantly more dangerous than CO2, and methane is generated when carbon is allowed to decompose without sequestering or utilizing the methane gas generated from the process

So the Answer is simple: plant more forests, don't cut them down and reduce the human population to balance out the demand for resources and shelter.
Yes I was around in the 70’s. I will say that Flapp said pretty much everything I wanted to say. But I have one thing to add to his post so I will quote him and add my 2 cents to his post.

My thoughts are similar to yours. Though not exactly the same. Back in the 70’s when the idea that we were heading for an ice age was brought up, the hysteria was huge until it was revealed that it was going to be thousands of years before it was going to really effect the earth. But I think it was this hysteria that the idea of climate change, global cooling, global warming et al in order to suck money from unsuspecting people and countries was born. Which is why the deception seems so real to people. When the computer models and the so called experts started making predictions, and the predictions never occurred they kept changing the definition and increasing the time periods for the catastrophe to occur. As new generations are indoctrinated they believe the lies and as such feel the need to do something to save the earth. We used to plant trees and protested the cutting down of rainforests. To me, that was the right thing to do. Now, we are told, and our younger generations are taught that we need to spend money hand over fist to control the climate.

Was it a coincidence that oral birth control became widely available in the US by the mid to late 60’s? In the 70’s and 80’s it became fashionable to have 2 or less children. It was found that the US needed the average family to have 2.5 children in order to maintain our economy growth. But the people who felt that overpopulation was a big concern decided to have 2 or less in order to do their part to save the earth. The US population growth has slowed somewhat. Some countries like Russia are actually having a negative population growth.

I was and still am to some extent a proponent of planting more, stopping the cutting down of massive amounts of forests, forest management, and to slow down global population growth. The US cannot do it by themselves. The problem is that it is not in the best economic interest of some countries to do any of these things. I think the key to maintaining our planet is to find a good balance.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2018, 04:41:52 PM »
I was around -- born in 1961.  In elementary school, we got those little classroom Scholastic Magazine issues. They had lots of topics nationally and globally intended to "round out" local news.

There wasn't an issue I don't think that didn't have some dire prediction if "we" didn't stop some behavior that was causing the problem. First one I remember was how aerosol deodorant was responsible for depleted ozone, which was going to completely fry the surface of the Earth. Then there was overpopulation exceeding resources (mainly food), which was going to cause massive societal upheaval and a return to the dark ages.

Of course there were also predictions of the coming ice age that our factories, cars, trucks, railroads, etc. were ushering in.

I also remember one magazine said eggs were evil, and the cholesterol they contained were going to cause heart attacks in every single person who eats more than 3 per week.  A year later, eggs were being called "the perfect food" based on new studies.  Other protein sources compared to eggs were too high in saturated and poly-unsaturated fats.

Hurricanes, tornadoes, famine, gas shortages, pollution, holes in the ozone, cholesterol, saccharine, killer bees, species extinctions, .... there's no end to the number of apocalyptic predictions I've managed to survive!   :shake:

I learned at a young age not to believe everything I read.  First step to determine credibility: find out who paid for the study, and whether they benefit/profit from the findings presented.

"The Science Is Settled!!"
One thing I want to add to your post was the lie of “Peak Oil”. At first the idea of “Peak Oil” was defined as we have gone past the half way point of all of the earth’s oil reserves. In other words we only had 50% or less left. The hysteria was overwhelming! Mostly because the predictions were that we were pumping out so much so fast that we only had 20 years or less of oil reserves left. But then the oil companies started providing proof that they had oil reserves that would last up to another 200+ years. Especially large reserves in shale (Can we say fracking?). When the hysteria from that died down, they changed the definition of “Peak Oil”. Then “Peak Oil” was defined as we reached the peak of how much oil we can pump out of the ground every day while the demand continually rose. And we all know that when demand outstrips supply, they predicted the price of oil would rise to $20 a gallon! OMG people were panicking! And this was only 20 or so years ago! Of course then this lie was exposed and died down and now we know that we can increase supply any time we want as demand rises. And gas will only get to $20 a gallon as our governments add taxes to each gallon in an attempt to make it too expensive to own a car. And then we will be forced to find a “Greener” form of transportation. We now know this “Peak Oil” lie didn’t stick. The Global Cooling lie didn’t stick., Then the Global Warming lie didn’t stick, But it seems like the Climate Change lie seems to have stuck. Mostly because if we have a hot or cool year, or one more hurricanes than usual, or if there is flooding or fires worse than last year then it is blamed all on Global Warming. And as us older people die off, so will the past history of the lies and hysteria that we lived through. It’s too bad that the naive will believe the propaganda/lies they were taught about the climate and will never understand that all of this is a huge investment to control the population and steal money from everyone because they are taught that they literally are the cause of the climate changing.  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

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rklapp

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2018, 06:32:54 PM »
My parents loved to watch nature documentaries in the 80s. Every episode ended the same with the bleeding heart crap of doom and gloom. I somewhat believe there is climate change but not the Al Gore bullshit.

On a somewhat different topic, there was no traffic during this morning's commute. My theory is that we wouldn't need a light rail if they literally bulldozed over UH Manoa and rebuilt everything at the west campus. They can turn the Manoa campus into a park for all I care. What's cheaper, building a second level of H1 or moving the Manoa campus to the west?
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2018, 08:54:56 PM »
Of course, the new argument is, that "new" ice isn't as "good" as the "old" ice that melted.

Somehow, ice that's over 1,000 years old is preferable to ice that's newly formed -- even if the overall amount of ice is larger.

 :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
« Last Edit: December 18, 2018, 09:14:27 PM by eyeeatingfish »

eyeeatingfish

eyeeatingfish

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2018, 09:09:58 PM »
Awwwww did my comment wishing you good luck with your beliefs get you butt hurt?

Nope. Why would it? facts don't need egos. I care more about knowing the truth than defending an inaccurate statement because I don't want admit being wrong.


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So you truly think that predicting the future with a computer makes it more valid than if someone says it? Do you believe crystal balls, magic 8 balls, palm readers? :rofl: You truly are naive. You obviously don’t understand how computer programming works. The computer programmer writes the code to produce the results they want. They cannot program something random. And you believe that all these people who are being paid by those with an agenda who want certain results for the programmer to write code that gives opposite results? You truly don’t understand programming nor human nature. And you truly trust that the people who are paiid by those with an agenda and want these exact results to enter truthful information to begin with? And you believe in order for the computer to predict the future they had to hire a Swami wearing a turban who can see into the future to program the computers? Don’t answer any of these questions. They were asked to make you think.

Comparing climate modeling software to crystal balls is so clearly disingenuous I really have a hard time thinking you are taking this seriously. You seem to be more interested in things that confirm your beliefs and not really open to the possibility that your position is wrong.


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If you truly wanted to know the truth you would research this beyond the first 40-50 pages of Google. Unfortunately, Google is also pushing the agenda by mostly putting forth this agenda in the first large amount of pages so people who really want to research both sides need to really dig deep. BTW, most of the results given by Google in the first whatever number of pages are all in on the agenda as well. Especially the MSM and the scientific community that has been bought and paid for. Considering you admit to not wanting to really do your due diligence on this or any subject I expect nothing less from you. Obviously you don’t want to believe the truth. That is your perogative. Just realize this is not your opinion and mine. There is the truth and then there is your truth. I have said nothing here that isn’t factual.

You are pretty clearly  not being objective here. You just discount anything that disagrees with you by calling it bias. The government says it's real? Cause the government is biased. The universities say it's true? They are biased too. The scientists say it's true? They are biased too. Its not hard "prove" your position when you manage to selectively disqualify all evidence you don't like.
But do tell, how deep have you dug?

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I’m not going to do your research for you. I have told you this in the past. I think it is time that you stop trying to have conversations with me. Please stop quoting me for everything I have posted here and everywhere. And I will stop doing the same with you. I believe you have this agreement with others so let’s do the same.
Strawman. I never asked you to do any research for me. My first post here was not even attempting an argument, I stated my position and gave my reason politely. You took issue with it and wanted a debate.

You and I disagree on this issue and that is fine, but I don't ridicule your position or insult you for that disagreement and I only request you do the same.

Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2018, 09:27:33 PM »
You ignore all the facts I presented to you because you cannot disprove any of them. By acknowledging them you you will have to admit that your beliefs are a lie. Which is why you just ignore them. Again, there is the truth and then there is your truth. You can believe all the lies you want. That is your perogative. Without doing sufficient research you will continuing believing a lie.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Case in point I asked you nicely to quit quoting me and you ignored that as well because it doesn’t suit you. Don’t ignore my request. Honor it.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

eyeeatingfish

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2018, 09:42:13 PM »
You ignore all the facts I presented to you because you cannot disprove any of them. By acknowledging them you you will have to admit that your beliefs are a lie. Which is why you just ignore them. Again, there is the truth and then there is your truth. You can believe all the lies you want. That is your perogative. Without doing sufficient research you will continuing believing a lie.

You are being intellectually dishonest. Case in point I asked you nicely to quit quoting me and you ignored that as well because it doesn’t suit you. Don’t ignore my request. Honor it.

You didn't present any facts, you just said I was wrong and climate models are not trustable. I said their reliability has improved and are more trustworthy than you thing, and I provided links to support my statements.

You try to twist this into something about my pride, being unwilling to admit I am wrong but that argument fails by the very fact that I stated in my first post how my stance had come full circle. I had already admitted I was on the wrong side of the evidence.

What research have you done? You suggest I need to do so much more but have not put forth anything verifying what you say are facts.

What do you mean don't quote you? If I reply to your post it automatically puts in the quote part. Do you mean you don't want me to put my replies individually to each paragraph? Please be more specific and I will be happy to oblige, but my quoting that you don't like is hardly comparable to the way you react to my disagreement.

Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2018, 09:45:57 PM »
You didn't present any facts, you just said I was wrong and climate models are not trustable. I said their reliability has improved and are more trustworthy than you thing, and I provided links to support my statements.

You try to twist this into something about my pride, being unwilling to admit I am wrong but that argument fails by the very fact that I stated in my first post how my stance had come full circle. I had already admitted I was on the wrong side of the evidence.

What research have you done? You suggest I need to do so much more but have not put forth anything verifying what you say are facts.

What do you mean don't quote you? If I reply to your post it automatically puts in the quote part. Do you mean you don't want me to put my replies individually to each paragraph? Please be more specific and I will be happy to oblige, but my quoting that you don't like is hardly comparable to the way you react to my disagreement.
Don’t hit the quote button when it comes to my posts. How hard is that to understand? Jeeeeeez dude. I don’t want to converse with someone as dishonest as you. I asked nicely. Honor my request.
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Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2018, 06:37:06 AM »
Enjoy!
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Inspector

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2018, 01:42:24 PM »
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2018, 11:03:58 PM »
So Inspector cannot stand someone challenging his believe about climate change that he requests I not quote him.

If you don't want to debate the issue then that's fine, I can respect it if you don't want to get in a long detailed debate. Just say so.

But you don't have to be some snowflake about it and insulting at the same time. The fact I disagree with you (and so does science) does not make me dishonest. Remember, you are the one that started an argument, I posted a source for my argument and now you are the one running away from it so your insults are unwarranted.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2018, 08:49:24 AM »
So Inspector cannot stand someone challenging his believe about climate change that he requests I not quote him.

If you don't want to debate the issue then that's fine, I can respect it if you don't want to get in a long detailed debate. Just say so.

But you don't have to be some snowflake about it and insulting at the same time. The fact I disagree with you (and so does science) does not make me dishonest. Remember, you are the one that started an argument, I posted a source for my argument and now you are the one running away from it so your insults are unwarranted.

Here you go AGAIN ... going off on a tangent and making this a personal argument rather than supporting your opinions with facts and letting that stand on its on.

Just stop with the personal attacks. You always have to have the last word.

 :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Trumper

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2018, 08:48:46 AM »
So Inspector cannot stand someone challenging his believe about climate change that he requests I not quote him.

If you don't want to debate the issue then that's fine, I can respect it if you don't want to get in a long detailed debate. Just say so.

But you don't have to be some snowflake about it and insulting at the same time. The fact I disagree with you (and so does science) does not make me dishonest. Remember, you are the one that started an argument, I posted a source for my argument and now you are the one running away from it so your insults are unwarranted.

science disagrees with you

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Discovery Channel: Into the Blue (BUTT) Hole BUTT BUTT BUTT Climate Change
« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2018, 03:04:00 PM »
science disagrees with you

He thinks "science" and "scientists" are synonymous -- as if all scientists are infallible or completely honest.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw