ACLU Hawaii chapter meeting.
This should be interesting.

I contacted the ACLU regarding one of my UIPA denied requests and denied appeal of that request. The only option after that is to file a lawsuit, so I explained the situation to them via email and they asked me to call them and talk to someone. I did. About a week later they said they wouldn't help. The ACLU has a long history of being anti-Second Amendment civil liberties. There is one lengthy publication by them in the 1990s explaining that the Second Amendment is a "collective" right of the militia and does not protect any individual right to even own firearms much less carry them in public.

Last time I looked, Nevada was the only ACLU chapter in the nation that recognized individual 2a rights.

Its my long term goal to get ACLU in Hawaii to recognize 2a rights.

Aclu is a joke. Protects and fights for every right but the 2nd.

Idea:black person who IDs as a woman, a muslim, on welfare applies for ccw and gets denied.

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I contacted the ACLU regarding one of my UIPA denied requests and denied appeal of that request. The only option after that is to file a lawsuit, so I explained the situation to them via email and they asked me to call them and talk to someone. I did. About a week later they said they wouldn't help. The ACLU has a long history of being anti-Second Amendment civil liberties. There is one lengthy publication by them in the 1990s explaining that the Second Amendment is a "collective" right of the militia and does not protect any individual right to even own firearms much less carry them in public.

I have heard someone suggest that gun rights are collective rights and not individual rights but I don't understand how they can make that case. Because if such a right is denied on an individual level how could it ever exist on a collective level?

It was based on the wording of the 2nd amendment where it says the right of "the people" as opposed to the way the other amendments (most of them) refer to rights.

The meeting was boring, nothing new came out of it.  It was a summary of all the past news stories you heard already.   Unfair cash bail practices, planned parenthood, police militarization, compelled speech for abortion info, etc.

I'm more interested in how the event was run so I can copy the good parts of it for my meetings and research purposes.  They had 5 presenters and some support staff.  I'm guessing they are all paid staff and they did pretty good, everyone knew their part.  Good audio visual setup with cordless mikes.  A person ran the live-stream off a smartphone.  Chips and dip and cookies for refreshments. Table full of propaganda and swag.  Posters on the wall.  About 30 attendees.  Demographics was about 75% white with most of the rest asian, must be that white guilt.

I can see the differences between pro-gun/conservative meetings and gun control/liberal meetings.  Conservative meetings are usually dull and subdued, pessimistic.  Liberal meetings are usually positive and lively.

Conservative meetings are usually dull and subdued, pessimistic.  Liberal meetings are usually positive and lively.

Conservative meetings are usually dull and subdued, pessimistic realistic.  Liberal meetings are usually positive delusional and lively.

Fixed it for ya.

Talk about "positive" and "lively", ever seen those "Parkland survivor" kids talk about how they're going to end "gun violence" in the very near future?

 

Conservative meetings are usually dull and subdued, pessimistic realistic.  Liberal meetings are usually positive delusional and lively.

Fixed it for ya.

Talk about "positive" and "lively", ever seen those "Parkland survivor" kids talk about how they're going to end "gun violence" in the very near future?

   

ACLU should never have walked into the Kavanaugh debate. I usually support their work but whoever made that decision to jump into partisan butchery of the democratic process needs to move on to another career.