The problem with gold is twofold.

1) If the world's currencies did disappear catastrophically, the over-valued gold would also decrease dramatically in value. This is because currently there is a surplus or bubble of currency, which is what a fiat currency is. You just invent the value as you go along. More people have more of it, so everything is much more expensive, but that does not mean value. Were a real world-wide currency disaster to happen, gold would quickly reset to something more realistic, depending on what people would pay. Say around 100-200/per ounce. This leads to point 2.

2) Gold has little worth to survival. It only really obtains serious value once a stable and agrarian society has been established, because you begin to have classes and social stratification where it doesn't make sense to hoard more wheat than you need, and you don't need to trade anything. Then gold becomes useful, but it is still a fiat currency with an invented value. If Hawaii ever became really isolated again, gold here wouldn't be worth hardly anything. You would need many, many years for things to re-stabilize.

The most valuable things in any real shtf situation are going to be survival related trades. That's why kings started out as warriors, they were the best survivors, and provided the most for their people. Anyhow, all in my opinion

When the time comes, Seeds will be worth there weight in gold

I would envision that stuff like cigarettes would be a big commodity (half joking and half serious). 

I would envision that stuff like cigarettes would be a big commodity (half joking and half serious).

Oh, for sure cigarettes would become a huge commodity. Actually, they already are. Especially since there is a huge black market for them in places like NYC where they are taxed heavily.

Gas (of all types), oil products, lighters, matches, solar panels, tools as well as raw materials like wire, rope, miscellaneous metals and wood would all become big commodity items.

Oh, for sure cigarettes would become a huge commodity. Actually, they already are. Especially since there is a huge black market for them in places like NYC where they are taxed heavily.

Gas (of all types), oil products, lighters, matches, solar panels, tools as well as raw materials like wire, rope, miscellaneous metals and wood would all become big commodity items.

Nicotine addiction is no joke and can make people very irritable at minimum and even to the point of debilitation.  I just see that as being one of the immediate "needs" as not many smokers I know stock up on that stuff. 

Nicotine addiction is no joke and can make people very irritable at minimum and even to the point of debilitation.  I just see that as being one of the immediate "needs" as not many smokers I know stock up on that stuff.

Your preaching to the choir my friend. I quit in 1996. It was either quit or die of hacking up a massive loogie and choking on it. 

I usually bought a carton a week. But when I was a drunk I would buy up to two cartons a week. The force is strong in those cigs, Luke. I was addicted. I won't tell you the bad thing I did in the name of the addiction but it is one of the few things in my life I still regret I did.

Agree that APMEX is GTG.   Got a little silver before but not planning on more.   Not sure if feds would outlaw PM ownership by individuals like during the depression which would make gold and silver useless in the open market.
If you have extra money I would buy extra parts, ammo, tools, or harden your house instead of PMs.  If you buy PM, make sure it's physical and not ETF or IRA.  Push come to shove, if you don't possess it, you don't own it.  Finder's keepers. loser's weepers is for real.

I would envision that stuff like cigarettes would be a big commodity (half joking and half serious).

Again : Seeds, Takes a while but you can grow and process tobacco,

other high value items:
Alcohol, Drugs, tools (mechanical, household and skilled tools such as leather working ) Skill's (medical, dental, sewing, carpentry ect...) Books, sugar, bleach, soap, candles, oil, honey, ammo, weapons, communication gear, animals,

Your preaching to the choir my friend. I quit in 1996. It was either quit or die of hacking up a massive loogie and choking on it. 

I usually bought a carton a week. But when I was a drunk I would buy up to two cartons a week. The force is strong in those cigs, Luke. I was addicted. I won't tell you the bad thing I did in the name of the addiction but it is one of the few things in my life I still regret I did.

Well, more money for guns and ammo!   

Again : Seeds, Takes a while but you can grow and process tobacco,

other high value items:
Alcohol, Drugs, tools (mechanical, household and skilled tools such as leather working ) Skill's (medical, dental, sewing, carpentry ect...) Books, sugar, bleach, soap, candles, oil, honey, ammo, weapons, communication gear, animals,

Yeah, I hear ya.  I was mostly just kidding around.  That and thinking more short term.