Grandfather clause if i read the last part correctly

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Grandfather clause if i read the last part correctly

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It's not. Besides a grandfather clause is still a loss.

If a grandfathered firearm is stolen or destroyed in a house fire or a catastrophic malfunction, do you think the state will allow you to replace it???

I think we should give them the grenade launcher.  I mean, I don't have one, so I'm cool with that.

threaded barrels on rifles means, geez, damn near everything.  bull barrels anyone?
threaded barrels on pistols means no more compensators.  all those folks with race guns...
anybody ever heard of the Beretta 93R?  Glock 18?  yeah baby, rock and roll!
pistol grips on rifles?  think of Commiefornia.
free-float rail?  is that a "shroud"?
so you can't have a "flash suppressor", I guess pin & welded muzzle brake is ok? gonna be a lot of deaf shooters at KHSC.  double ear pro.
and no more MAGPUL CTR or B5 SOPMOD for you!

read it one more time, I guess stripped lower receivers are ok.


whew, thought they were gonna come for my laser sights.

This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.

THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.

here's the gist of it:

SECTION 2.  Section 134-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended as follows:

     1.  By adding two new definitions to be appropriately inserted and to read:

     ""Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
     (1)  A centerfire rifle with an overall length less than thirty inches;
     (2)  A folding or telescoping stock;
     (3)  A thumbhole stock;
     (4)  A second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
     (5)  A flash suppressor;
     (6)  A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
     (7)  A bayonet mount;
     (8.)  A grenade launcher;
     (9)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer; or
    (10)  A pistol grip, excluding pistol grips for pistols not otherwise prohibited under this section.

     "Assault shotgun" means a semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following characteristics:
     (1)  Accepts a detachable magazine; or
     (2)  Has a revolving cylinder."

     2.  By amending the definition of "assault pistol" to read:

     ""Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has [two] one or more of the following characteristics:

     (1)  An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
     (2)  A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;
     (3)  A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
     (4)  A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
     (5)  A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or
     (6)  It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;

The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of use with any firearm is prohibited.

Written by an ignoramus. Nearly as dumb as the state report claiming that Hawaii prohibits all handguns "with a frame or receiver that is a die casting of zinc alloy that has a melting temperature of less than 80º F". (Those wouldn't be of much use around here since they'd melt almost every single day.) Anyone who would use the term "safe gun laws" is an idiot.

This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.

THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.

No one needs a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds bullets, okay 7, well, really 5, 2 should be sufficient... oh hell, just get rid of all the damn guns! And those things that go up... gotta get rid of those too.

Written by an ignoramus. Nearly as dumb as the state report claiming that Hawaii prohibits all handguns "with a frame or receiver that is a die casting of zinc alloy that has a melting temperature of less than 80º F". (Those wouldn't be of much use around here since they'd melt almost every single day.) Anyone who would use the term "safe gun laws" is an idiot.

kind of a reflection on the ignoramus's that repetitively and consistently vote these charlatans into office.

Awesome.  My target rifle will be an "Assault Rifle" because it has a "Barrel Shroud" and my .22 varmint rifle will be as well because it has a thumbhole stock.  I think my .22 sporter is 29".  Oh wait, the length restriction is only for center-fire but the rest applies to everything.  I guess I can forget about buying a Taurus Judge now too.

I also have a 357 SIG barrel that is threaded so I can use a barrel extension to mount my Magnetospeed Chrono.

I tell you what.  I've lived many different lives to this day.  Might as well make me a criminal because of stupid feel-good legislation too.  It'll make my eventual "defection" to the USA that much sweeter.

This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.

THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.

it expands the current 10rd pistol mag to "ANY firearm".  that would include rifles.  probably excludes air guns, paint guns.

J. F. C. 

Why do they hate guns so much?  What did a gun ever do to them?  Ban criminals.  Don’t take my grenade launcher.

One major component is missing (among many): to enforce anything with a grandfather clause, existing items would need to be registered.

Firearms are already registered, but mags are not.  Mags would have to be serialized or otherwise marked as "pre-ban" if they are not compliant with the new law.  This would be a great ploy to confiscate >10 rd AR mags based on current laws (gray area and all), under the pretense of making them legal to keep.

Also, let's say you have a stripped lower already registered, but no upper for that receiver yet. If you finish that rifle, they really have no way of telling if it qualified as an "assault rifle" before the effective date of the bill. Did it have a flash suppressor, threaded barrel and pistol grip before that date? Only you would know -- unless again they require ANY AND ALL grandfathered weapons to be brought in for (re-)registration and inspection.  If that happens, I'll just grab any upper from the safe, slap it on the built lower and let them inspect/record those "assault rifle" characteristics.

"I don't own any >10rd mags. All I have are parts kits."

Senator Laura Thielen
Senate District 25
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 231
Phone: 808-587-8388
Fax: 808-587-7240

flood the phone lines!

This f***ing feckless c**t.

You forgot the word feckless. I fixed it for you

Will she care if we’re not in her district?

Will she care if we’re not in her district?

I doubt if she "cares" if you ARE in her district... except, of course, in so far as she needs to say to her district constituents whatever is most likely to garner their votes and get her re-elected.

Firearms are already registered, but mags are not.  Mags would have to be serialized or otherwise marked as "pre-ban" if they are not compliant with the new law.  This would be a great ploy to confiscate >10 rd AR mags based on current laws (gray area and all), under the pretense of making them legal to keep.

Also, let's say you have a stripped lower already registered, but no upper for that receiver yet. If you finish that rifle, they really have no way of telling if it qualified as an "assault rifle" before the effective date of the bill. Did it have a flash suppressor, threaded barrel and pistol grip before that date? Only you would know -- unless again they require ANY AND ALL grandfathered weapons to be brought in for (re-)registration and inspection.  If that happens, I'll just grab any upper from the safe, slap it on the built lower and let them inspect/record those "assault rifle" characteristics.

"I don't own any >10rd mags. All I have are parts kits."

So if someone were to label their mags "458 Socom" then it would be legal because it only can hold 10 rds of 458.

If bill were to pass, then if PD come knocking on your door, separate lower from upper and have allen wrench/screw driver ready to remove pistol grip.  Don't take gun to range.  Doubt they would have a no knock warrant.

Here's what I rattled off:

Senator Kidani

It has been brought to my attention that your counterpart from district 25, Senator Theilen has introduced SB1334 which would ban nearly all semi automatic rifles.  I would like to respectfully encourage you to oppose this bill.  The number of crimes commited with rifles of any kind is remarkably low. 

Citing the FBI's nation wide crime statistics from 2016 there there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.”   The report also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”  This is 371 instances in a nation of 325,700,000 citizens.

I disagree with the stance that it is the States responsibility to choose for me what the best means to defend myself and my family.  Semi Automatic rifles are routinely safely used for lawful purposes of hunting, recreation and home defense.  Further, resticting this class of weapon negatively impacts our many service members who are stationed here, as they would be forced to leave their lawfully aquired property in another state or dispose of it when stationed here.  It is a point of pride that our fellow Americans from view Hawaii as an excellent destination and that our service members look forward to serving here on the islands.  Please refrain from damaging our reputation, our private property rights and our cherished core liberties to make a political statement that will have a statistically insignificant effect on crime here at home.

Thank you for taking time to familiarize yourself with my concerns.

Respectfully X