*UPDATED 02/08/19* NOW TWO ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS REMAIN (Read 49404 times)

tillamook

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2019, 11:06:52 AM »
Though a little expensive these are only 5 round magazines
https://www.mccutchenfirearms.com/AI-5-Rnd-Mag-p/6300.htm

Platinum808

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2019, 11:28:35 AM »
I called! Everyone should call and tell every able body to call less then 5mins! For your constitutional right !
Oh ignorant youth, the world is not a joyous place. The time has come for you to dispense with the frivolous pleasures of childhood and get down to honest toil until you are sixty-five. Then and only then can you relax and collect your social security and live happily until the time of your death!

-Hunter S. Thompson

Mdotweber

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2019, 12:10:42 PM »
keep  calling, please be polite but get your points across. Spread the word on social media. This sh!t needs to be crushed before it gets any momentum.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2019, 01:04:25 PM »
So if someone were to label their mags "458 Socom" then it would be legal because it only can hold 10 rds of 458.

If bill were to pass, then if PD come knocking on your door, separate lower from upper and have allen wrench/screw driver ready to remove pistol grip.  Don't take gun to range.  Doubt they would have a no knock warrant.

If my weapons are grandfathered, they can search all they want.

My point is, they would have to require registration/re-registration of any noncompliant mags, rifles and pistols that are to be grandfathered.  If one chooses to not register, or disobeys the law after it's in effect (IF it passes), that'll be their decision.

I can see having a compliant upper on the receiver for uninvited, unwelcome "visitors" (crooks, Cops, etc), and a more user friendly upper stored elsewhere.

If the receiver isn't attached, an upper alone is not a firearm.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2019, 01:14:44 PM »
I would bet the cops would confiscate an upper and shoot or at least beat you and then arrest you if you tried to prevent them from taking it.  I would keep it hidden.  There are ways to hide it even in a small yard so metal detectors would have a difficult time finding it.
Happily living in Puna

tillamook

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2019, 01:21:12 PM »
they can search all they want.

Nope.  I dont even have a firearm and its still no, turn around, walk back down the driveway, close the gate nicely.... :)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2019, 01:29:43 PM »
Nope.  I dont even have a firearm and its still no, turn around, walk back down the driveway, close the gate nicely.... :)

I have a Class 03 C&R FFL license. That means the ATF has an open invitation to my home.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

tillamook

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2019, 01:43:03 PM »
I have a Class 03 C&R FFL license. That means the ATF has an open invitation to my home.

Oregon made my 03 FFL illegal :(

ATF isnt going to search for a state law issue.  They only care about your C&R firearms, their serial numbers and your bound book.    When Oregon killed the C&R FFL the ATF tried to get the state Attorney General to answer questions about it and the AG didnt bother to reply.  I kept calling them and they kept saying "The AG wont return our calls"

So even if I did break state law by purchasing a C&R firearm, the ATF would not be the ones to show up to see if I got my required background check and transfer through a FFL. 

Its also been a while since I read the rules, but I believe it is ok to request that an inspection of your firearms or bound book occur at the closest ATF office and not at your home.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2019, 02:06:47 PM »
Oregon made my 03 FFL illegal :(

ATF isnt going to search for a state law issue.  They only care about your C&R firearms, their serial numbers and your bound book.    When Oregon killed the C&R FFL the ATF tried to get the state Attorney General to answer questions about it and the AG didnt bother to reply.  I kept calling them and they kept saying "The AG wont return our calls"

So even if I did break state law by purchasing a C&R firearm, the ATF would not be the ones to show up to see if I got my required background check and transfer through a FFL. 

Its also been a while since I read the rules, but I believe it is ok to request that an inspection of your firearms or bound book occur at the closest ATF office and not at your home.   

I wouldn't put it past our demonstrably corrupt police and AG's offices (FBI targets all) to try and make a federal case out of any firearm law violation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

PalisadesKid

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2019, 03:11:00 PM »
Will be attending the HI FICO Legislative Meeting this Saturday at Aiea Public Library at 6pm.

In the meantime, SB 1334 has passed it's first reading and while not assigned to a committee yet, I took the liberty of emailing Senate committee members of JDC, PSM, and WAM based off of past anti gun bills and what committees they were assigned to initially.

Already received a response from Senator Fevella's assistant saying he is reviewing my email as he sits on the Senate JDC Committee. Email was noted that "should SB 1334 reach the JDC, I request for it to not receive a hearing" and so forth.

zippz

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2019, 03:38:29 PM »
Will be attending the HI FICO Legislative Meeting this Saturday at Aiea Public Library at 6pm.

In the meantime, SB 1334 has passed it's first reading and while not assigned to a committee yet, I took the liberty of emailing Senate committee members of JDC, PSM, and WAM based off of past anti gun bills and what committees they were assigned to initially.

Already received a response from Senator Fevella's assistant saying he is reviewing my email as he sits on the Senate JDC Committee. Email was noted that "should SB 1334 reach the JDC, I request for it to not receive a hearing" and so forth.

Haven't met with him yet, but he sounds like a good guy.  Unfortunately he's a very busy man since he's the only Republican in the Senate.  That means he holds all positions...minority leader, minority whip, member of all senate committees, etc.  If we can get Sen Wakai on board, we could have the majority on the Judiciary committee.  Only problem is Favella may not be able to make the JUD committee hearings since he's on every committee hearing.

PalisadesKid

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2019, 03:49:16 PM »
Haven't met with him yet, but he sounds like a good guy.  Unfortunately he's a very busy man since he's the only Republican in the Senate.  That means he holds all positions...minority leader, minority whip, member of all senate committees, etc.  If we can get Sen Wakai on board, we could have the majority on the Judiciary committee.  Only problem is Favella may not be able to make the JUD committee hearings since he's on every committee hearing.


Senator Wakai is definitely one I had contacted as well:

Aloha Senator Wakai,

I am writing to you to express my opposition to Senate Bill 1334 (SB1334). This bill is a wide-sweeping ban on a vast majority of commonly-owned firearms in the State of Hawaii used in competition, hunting, and self-defense. A similar attempt at a “assault weapon ban” failed in 2013 (Senate Bill 219 of 2013). It did not make it out of committee.

The attempt to re-define what is an “assault weapon” under SB1334 provides no identifiable facts or statistics that prove that the mere existence of these firearms amongst law-abiding citizens creates a public safety threat. In fact, the verbiage and reasoning in Section.1 of SB1334 readily admits Hawaii annually maintains one of the lowest amounts of firearm-related deaths and crimes in the nation yet looks to ban commonly-owned firearms that have existed in the hands of law-abiding Hawaii citizens for decades. What is the purpose of banning commonly-owned firearms when the statistics have shown that Hawaii is able to keep firearm deaths to an absolute minimum while these firearms have remained in the lawful possession of the public all this time?

Section 1. of SB1334 also states Hawaii already has an “assault weapons ban” in place, yet SB1334 argues that it “fails to ban assault rifles and assault shotguns”. This contradictory statement does not provide the reasoning behind what currently constitutes as an “Assault Rifle” or “Assault Shotgun” by definition yet attempts to solidify a definition by naming standard industry components (as named in Section 2.) with zero factual information with regards to “cause and effect” to public safety. Again, these industry standard components have legally existed in the State of Hawaii for decades as the State of Hawaii annually boasts tremendously LOW firearm-related casualties.

I reiterate that SB1334 lacks statistical proof that semi-auto rifles and the industry standard components it seeks to outlaw are responsible for firearm-related injuries or deaths in the State of Hawaii. Far too often handguns have been the tool criminals preferred as evident throughout the various news articles and headlines in local media over the years.

The facts with regards to the LOW amount of firearm related deaths in Hawaii are within the State Legislature’s own published report:

http://lrbhawaii.org/reports/legrpts/lrb/2018/18-01.pdf

If a ban were to pass and “grandfathering” of said firearms were “allowed”, what is to happen to innocent gun owners in the event said firearms are damaged beyond repair in a natural disaster? Or if one were to become a victim of a burglary? Safes have been broken into in the past. The law-abiding gun owner will not be able to reclaim/replace their private property due to such a ban.

Should SB1334 make its way to the JDC, I request that SB1334 NOT be scheduled for a hearing from this committee and request that it must be removed from the 2019 legislative session.


PalisadesKid

Re: TWO HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BANS INTRODUCED
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2019, 04:13:56 PM »
Bumping for update to original post as HB 1303 was introduced today. Essentially the same cut and paste job as SB 1334.

PalisadesKid

Re: TWO HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BANS INTRODUCED
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2019, 06:53:10 PM »
SB 1334
HB 1303

Two bills, SAME GOAL - ban every common semi auto rifle in existence from Hawaii.

As of this post both bills have NOT been assigned to their respective committees, but you can get ahead of the game and start contacting committee members as follows:


With regards to HOUSE BILL SB1303

HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY (JUD):

CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
replee@Capitol.hawaii.gov

VICE CHAIR
Joy A. San Buenaventura
House District 4
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
phone: 808-586-6530
fax: 808-586-6531
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov

Link to other committee members: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2019

With regards to SENATE BILL SB1334

SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY:

CHAIR
Karl Rhoads
Senate District 13
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 204
phone: 808-586-6130
fax: 808-586-6131
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov

VICE Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov

Link to other committee members: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JDC&year=2019


***These are the two committees I personally can think of off hand that these respective bills would be assigned to at first. If anyone has a better assumption of other relevant committees to contact ASAP, please share.***

PalisadesKid

Re: *UPDATED* - THREE! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2019, 12:12:21 PM »
Bump due to HB 1531 being added only today.

F**king co*ksuckers.



HB1531     Submit   Submit (?)

Measure Title:   RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title:   Firearms; Assault Weapons; Ban
Description:   Prohibits any person from distributing, transporting, importing, bringing, or causing to be brought into the State; keeping for sale, or offering or exposing for sale; or transferring, manufacturing, possessing, selling, bartering, trading, gifting, or acquiring any assault weapon. Defines assault weapon. Authorizes the courts to impose an extended term of imprisonment for an offender who uses an assault weapon in the course of committing certain crimes.
Companion:   
Package:   None
Current Referral:   
Introducer(s):   OHNO, CREAGAN, MIZUNO, TODD, WILDBERGER, San Buenaventura

Sort by Date       Status Text
1/24/2019   H   Introduced and Pass First Reading.

FULL TEXT: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB1531_.htm
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 12:46:15 PM by PalisadesKid »

changemyoil66

Re: *UPDATED* - THREE! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2019, 12:27:10 PM »
Looks like this one mimics the Assault Weapons Ban 2017 & 2018 bills in DC.  It names makes and models.

likecarry808

Re: 2019 HAWAII SEMI-AUTO BAN INTRODUCED
« Reply #36 on: January 25, 2019, 02:35:19 PM »
Here's what I rattled off:

Senator Kidani

It has been brought to my attention that your counterpart from district 25, Senator Theilen has introduced SB1334 which would ban nearly all semi automatic rifles.  I would like to respectfully encourage you to oppose this bill.  The number of crimes commited with rifles of any kind is remarkably low. 

Citing the FBI's nation wide crime statistics from 2016 there there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.”   The report also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.”  This is 371 instances in a nation of 325,700,000 citizens.

I disagree with the stance that it is the States responsibility to choose for me what the best means to defend myself and my family.  Semi Automatic rifles are routinely safely used for lawful purposes of hunting, recreation and home defense.  Further, resticting this class of weapon negatively impacts our many service members who are stationed here, as they would be forced to leave their lawfully aquired property in another state or dispose of it when stationed here.  It is a point of pride that our fellow Americans from view Hawaii as an excellent destination and that our service members look forward to serving here on the islands.  Please refrain from damaging our reputation, our private property rights and our cherished core liberties to make a political statement that will have a statistically insignificant effect on crime here at home.

Thank you for taking time to familiarize yourself with my concerns.

Respectfully X

well said do you mind if I use this to also submit to express my disapprove of bills. Thank you

tillamook

Re: *UPDATED* - THREE! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2019, 03:33:43 PM »
Why registration is bad

134-D  Relinquishment of assault weapon to law enforcement.  Any individual may arrange in advance to relinquish an assault weapon to a county police department or the department of public safety for disposal, without penalty.

Mdotweber

Re: *UPDATED* - THREE! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2019, 04:45:16 PM »
 :crazy: This is too much. Could this last one be challenged on grounds that there is no compensation given for said firearms being required to surrender?
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

PalisadesKid

Re: *UPDATED* - THREE! ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2019, 05:35:05 PM »
Called Rep Chris Lee's office since he's the Chair to the House JUD Committee which will most likely be getting BOTH SB1531 and SB1303 and spoke with Katie. She listened to my talking points and gave me an alternate email for "testimony" to which she said goes on file and is separate from actual online submitted testimony IF bills are granted hearings.

lee2@capitol.hawaii.gov
CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456

Also contacted my District's Representative who has a HISTORY of stating "I would need more evidence further laws are needed considering we have so many in Hawaii as it is", although he was adamant about banning bumpstocks and he was one of the authors of the House version of last year's bump stock ban.

Left messages for Calvin Say's office as well.

As for the Senate side regarding SB1334, in addition to emails, I called and left a message for Senator Glenn Wakai.