well said do you mind if I use this to also submit to express my disapprove of bills. Thank you

Go for it.

From YOUNG GUNS HAWAII's Facebook page today:

"It looks like another House Bill (HB1531) was introduced and passed it's first reading and it looks even worse than the other two.

I went to HPD to take care of my business today. As I was finishing up, one of the officers ask me if we were selling a lot of guns. I asked him if he was referring to the proposed assault weapons ban? He said yes. I asked him and the officer and the officer next to him what would happen if the bill(s) passed? We had a short discussion; And in a nut-shell, it wouldn't be good.

They said that the instant the bill is signed, it would become law. The way the Bill(s) are written, there is no grandfather clause and you wouldn't be able to posses, sell, transfer, TRANSPORT, barter, gift, ETC., ETC., ETC. without being a class B or C Felon once it's signed! If you, a law abiding citizen didn't get rid of pretty much all of your semi-auto rifles, semi-auto shotguns and "higher than 10 round magazines" before hand, then you would instantly become a FELON at the time of signing. Then the Police Department would have to bring a criminal case against you. They would go through the registrations, see who hasn't turned in their guns in yet, come and get the guns from you, arrest you and start the criminal case against you. (Sounds familiar?)

The two officers that I spoke to, (which I will not name), did not agree with the bill. They both agreed that law abiding citizens should not be turned into criminals with a stroke of the pen. I begged both of them to please speak up and oppose he bill. One of officers could not even look up, as I could tell that person really did not agree with the bill. I could tell that they both wouldn't want to enforce that law if it came to that.

Two of the bills, don't even have provisions for LE personnel, much less LEOSA (retired LE), Feds, Military, Reserves, Etc., Etc., Etc.. Those who possess the banned firearms will also become instant criminals also and lose their jobs!

This is the worst assault against our Constitutional Rights that I have ever seen. We need to stop these bills from becoming law. Your rights, and status as a law abiding citizen, are at stake. You cannot remain silent or neutral this legislative session. Our main supporter, which I have asked you to support in the past, Ken Ito, is no longer at the legislature to present the sensical side of the law and our rights. You need to contact your legislators (and all legislators) and oppose these bills.

Check all of them at: hifico.org/bills

I hoped it wouldn't come to this and I didn't want to write this, but one my worst nightmares is on the horizon! We, law abiding citizens need to fight! Our rights are at stake.

This comes from the heart.

Share this with everyone you know who owns a gun.

I hope this doesn't get blocked, banned or censored!"

I was right to leave my firearms with me son on the mainland. 

If this passes I feel that people will cave and surrender their firearms.  we are not united.  I'm sure most will not even know when this is signed into law.  Once they know it will work here, it will start in the west coast and the other big cities.  They will try it eventually in some state where enough will be enough and resistance will start.  But it wont be here.  It wont be in California or Oregon or Washington.  They cant fill the jails with marijuana users anymore so they will turn to gun owners. 

Handguns will be next.



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2aHawaii if too small of a community for the type of publicity this stupid crap needs.I just emailed KHON2, lets media blitzkrieg this crap get the word out to every channel out there. This wide sweeping hate bill must meet so much opposition that these assholes never think that they can pull this sh!t again. This isn't about gun control this is people control pure and simple..

2aHawaii if too small of a community for the type of publicity this stupid crap needs.I just emailed KHON2, lets media blitzkrieg this crap get the word out to every channel out there. This wide sweeping hate bill must meet so much opposition that these assholes never think that they can pull this sh!t again. This isn't about gun control this is people control pure and simple..

They tried this shit in 2013 as Senate Bill 219. I wasnt even a gun owner then (became one in late 2014), but in looking at old information, it was pretty much the same wide sweeping Assault Weapons Ban as this year's SB1334, HB1303, and HB1531.

However back in 2013, SB 219 was introduced by Les Ihara at the request of a 3rd party. The bill made its way to a few committees at first then never made the first "crossover date" in March 2013. It essentially died. It received no hearing in committee.

There was either enough push back from gun owners and/or not enough interest since there was ONE introducer and it was via a 3rd party request. Mind you this was during the "Sandy Hook" fallout where a NATIONAL Assault Weapons Ban was being considered and the mass hysteria to ban every fucking semi auto was more hot than it is today.

YET the shitty side is that there are THREE GOD DAMN bills out and one has multiple sponsors in the House (HB1531).

HI is the new NJ

If this passes I feel that people will cave and surrender their firearms.  we are not united.

Well, for me, I'm going to start rotating emergency supplies and replenishing them to the 6 month level.

Personally, I've had a really good, extraordinary life so I won't have any regrets.  I've achieved the goals I set for myself growing up, including the one from Kindergarten.  I will regret rolling over on this however. 

While I could defend my home within the limitations of HB1531 and even myself if Carry was made "shall issue", the fact that these OPPRESSORS are actually considering making legal gun owners felons with the stroke of a pen is the very definition of OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.

Furthermore, as a Veteran, this is face-slapping insult to the time I gave to my Country.  I swore then to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from ALL ENEMIES, foreign and DOMESTIC.  Just because I'm no longer in the Armed Services doesn't mean I stopped believing in my Oath to Country.

I sincerely hope this never comes to be in anyones lifetime but if it does, I would also hope that people who support the Constitution of the United States of America truly understand why the Second Ammendment was included in the Bill of Rights and find it within themselves to defend the freedoms represented by that sacred document.

BTW, for the types that have said "I don't have an "assault rifle" so I don't care", "assault shotguns" are defined as well.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile.  Then they'll keep coming back for another "inch".

Out of all my guns I would miss my Saiga the most. I kept the sporter parts just in case the day ever came, but with these bills it wouldn't matter. Any shotgun with a detachable magazine would be declared evil. I feel like if I could get them to the fun side of the range and try a mag dump they would understand. It's not about murder. It's about having a whole lot of fun.

What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock

What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock

I'd hazard a wild guess that because that is the "registered" part that is considered "a firearm", that they'll want that for sure.

I'd also suspect that since they have no way of knowing if that unmilled 80% lower you have is milled out in the future, they will need to take that too, as a preventive measure ("if it saves one life", etc.). Since they don't have any way of knowing whether or not you have one (well, they do, but likely might have difficulty getting that info from the NSA database (which contains every email, phone call, electronic bank transaction, etc. ever created), that they will have to construct a law that says that possession, barter, trade, blah blah blah of unfinished 80% lowers is illegal and state the penalties involved should you be discovered to possess one. They might be so generous as to provide a 30 day "amnesty" period for you to turn in your private property to them without compensation, as they did with "bumpstocks, multi-burst trigger activators, and trigger cranks". Just a guess, given their mindset and past history (fascist dictators).

Big round of applause for those that post words on this thread without saying shit of substance.

Utterly useless.

Was at the range today, people I talked to said they didn’t know about the bills. Couldn’t stay too long and talk to others.

Get the word out to EVERYONE!  Gun people or not.  Remember all the times that these lawmakers said they respect the 2A and don't want our guns?! Well, this is proof of their lies. THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR LEGALLY ACQUIRED GUNS! We've been through all their hoops...RapBack and it is not enough.
Forget about what firearms you dream about getting because it will be nothing more than that. In fact, look at your gunsafe and imagine all that taken away with no compensation. We are all law abiding, tax-paying citizens. This is not right. Tell them that this is unconstitutional. Tell them this makes no sense. Tell them we don't deserve to be grouped under criminals. We passed all their background checks. Get everyone you know to call, write or show up in person at their offices. Write on behalf of your big dogs. Write on behalf of your kids.

What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock

I'm thinking your stripped lower is fine, since it doesn't meet any of the banned criteria, stripped.

but you can't really shoot a stripped lower, now can you?  and you probably couldn't take your stripped lower to the KHSC and assemble it there, because as soon as you put the threaded barrel on, or the MAGPUL CTR stock, or the pistol grip, you're a felon, right?

and if Thielen and the other bill sponsors decide to go full-Maduro, I'm sure there will be a friendly HPD officer stationed at the range, for public safety of course, and he'll have no choice but to slap those pretty steel bracelets on you as he calls in SWAT for backup.  Congrats!  you just made the evening news, you're mugshot splashed across all TV's at 6pm, along with pics of your wife & pixelated kids, with mic's being stabbed at their faces as they go to buy groceries.  And then the Star-Advertiser puts your Facebook and Twitter under a microscope, to determine whether you acted alone, or what caused you to "go bad".  Ladies & Gentlemen, the world as we know it is going to hell in a handbasket.

not sure if you'd even be able to go licensed hunting with it, and heaven forbid, you shoot a home invasion intruder with an illegal firearm, you'll go to jail, and the home invasion perps will be free to go (if still alive).

but I'm sure that next legislative session, if this one passes, next year they'll introduce the legislation to cover stripped lowers, after all, that was a simple legislative loophole that they need to close.

and so it goes, if folks do nothing.

sorry for the rant.

so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?

fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.

I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.

anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.

we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.

so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?

fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.

I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.

anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.

we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.

Going to be just like CA
llllAssault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:

was trying to think, what centerfire semiautos are less than 30"?
Steyr AUG carbine is 27".
obviously the Tavor.

I'd guess other bullpups, since the ones in the US have to be at least 26" long to be legal (16" minimum barrel).  I kinda like the Tavor X95, was salivating over an ODG one. but didn't have the coin.

so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?

fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.

I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.

anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.

we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.

How fast can one work a bolt action?

Even a Springfield M1A would be banned due to a threaded barrel with a "shroud".

Fucking bullshit.