HB1541 Create/fund "Gun Violence Prevention Center" PVM Hearing Wed., Feb. 6 (Read 8120 times)

punaperson

Testimony due (24 hours prior to meeting): Tuesday Feb. 5, 10 AM.

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, VETERANS, & MILITARY AFFAIRS

Rep. Gregg Takayama, Chair

Rep. Cedric Asuega Gates, Vice Chair

Rep. Dale T. Kobayashi

Rep. Takashi Ohno

Rep. Sam Satoru Kong

Rep. Bob McDermott

Rep. Scott Y. Nishimoto

NOTICE OF HEARING

DATE:
Wednesday, February 6, 2019


TIME:
10:00 A.M.

PLACE:
Conference Room 430
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

HB 1541

RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION.

Establishes the Hawaii Gun Violence Prevention Center in the AG's office to research strategies to prevent gun violence.  Creates a special fund to support the Center.  Appropriates funds.

macsak

Testimony due (24 hours prior to meeting): Tuesday Feb. 5, 10 AM.

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, VETERANS, & MILITARY AFFAIRS

Rep. Gregg Takayama, Chair

Rep. Cedric Asuega Gates, Vice Chair

Rep. Dale T. Kobayashi

Rep. Takashi Ohno

Rep. Sam Satoru Kong

Rep. Bob McDermott

Rep. Scott Y. Nishimoto

NOTICE OF HEARING

DATE:
Wednesday, February 6, 2019


TIME:
10:00 A.M.

PLACE:
Conference Room 430
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street

HB 1541

RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION.

Establishes the Hawaii Gun Violence Prevention Center in the AG's office to research strategies to prevent gun violence.  Creates a special fund to support the Center.  Appropriates funds.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1541&year=2019

Jl808

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changemyoil66

I submitted online testimony.

When I called Kongs office, his receptionist stopped me mid breath and said "no worry to much, Rep. Kong doesn't support any more gun laws".
« Last Edit: February 04, 2019, 10:58:36 AM by changemyoil66 »

oldfart

I submitted online testimony.
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 yeah me too.
 Basically I told them that with all the budget woes and other REAL problems that the state is trying to deal with, some genius wants to throw money at a non-existent problem.
What, Me Worry?

punaperson

The "rationale"/justification paragraph preceding the language of the bill itself is literally talking points from Giffords, Anytown (and the other Bloomberg disinformation machines), and Mother Jones, etc.. ... these are at best gross statistical misrepresentations, but more likely deliberate lies (I'll give them the out that they are monumentally ignorant). This is propaganda. Does anyone believe that a state agency would dole out any money to anyone other than those they already know are sure to produce "studies" that are merely "advocacy research"? They want to spend taxpayer money to produce fake statistics to bolster their case for total civilian disarmament. Does anyone relieve believe they can achieve "public safety" without that being the necessary and ultimate goal?

The mere use of the purely propaganda term "gun violence" is enough to tell you all you need to know.
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zippz

Testimony due today at 10am.  Still turn it in after and it'll be marked late

tillamook

they should make it a felony to lie in the text of a bill. 

Research is not banned.  Gun control advocacy by the CDC is banned, not the research. 

changemyoil66

I wish it were a felony to any law maker who violates the constitution.  Those who propose the bill, support it, and on committee, and gov who signs it.

punaperson

they should make it a felony to lie in the text of a bill. 
:shaka:
They only pass laws that exempt them from the laws that apply to you and I. "Qualified immunity", "sovereign immunity", etc., etc., etc.

And even if they passed a law that said "a legislator is guilty of a crime if they lie (either via commission or omission) in the text of a bill AT LEAST TEN TIMES... these 10 sponsors would be guilty in a slam dunk verdict.. the jury might not even need to deliberate: "No, your honor, we don't need to go into any back room. GUILTY!" Hey, a guy's gotta have dreams.

Research is not banned.  Gun control advocacy by the CDC is banned, not the research.
They know they can lie with impunity... that's what they do.

From my testimony:

Does the Dickey amendment do what the authors claim (“a provision which prevents the use of federal money for gun violence research and prevention”)? Another blatant lie. All we have to do is 1. read the actual Dickey amendment, and 2. note all the “gun violence” research the CDC has done since the Dickey amendment was enacted. Both of those facts make the claim of the authors of this bill to be “mistaken” at best. Here's the actual quote on the restriction imposed by the Dickey amendment in 1996: the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control”.

NOT "may not be used to research any firearms related events", but only against “advocate or promote gun control”. That's as clear as can be. The authors of this bill are liars, or ignorant.

You might ask, well why would Dickey introduce such a bill? Surely the CDC would only be producing pure research and not using public money to to “advocate or promote gun control”. You'd be wrong:

In a 1994 New York Times piece, titled “New Tactics Urged in Fight Against Crime,” you’ll find Mark Rosenberg” — then director at the CDC’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, which oversaw the “gun violence” research — urging America “to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes … It used to be that smoking was a glamour symbol — cool, sexy, macho. Now it is dirty, deadly — and banned.”

It was Congress that did this because of the CDC's strong political stance against guns that was present in their work. This is due in  part to, "[the] official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

"We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths.  We’re doing the most we can do, given the political realities.” - P.W. O’Carroll, Acting Section Head of Division of Injury Control, CDC, quoted in Marsha F. Goldsmith, “Epidemiologists Aim at New Target: Health Risk of Handgun Proliferation,” Journal of the American Medical Association vol. 261 no. 5, February 3, 1989, pp. 675-76.

[And it goes on...]

punaperson

Here's John Lott briefly addressing the lies about the Dickey Amendment. The charts projected onscreen in the live presentation don't show up on the video, but you can get it from his verbal remarks about the charts. Main takeaways: they claim "decreased research" only by comparing the firearm-related research to the total volume of all medical research. The firearm-related research has increased both in number of studies and number of pages published, but the total number of medical articles has mushroomed. The percentage of ALL medical studies funded by the CDC is 3%, so taking something away from there has a very minimal consequence on the full field of research. Plus, of course, the Dickey amendment did NOT prohibit research by the CDC at all. Other than that the liars make good points.  :rofl:

https://youtu.be/IFZKg2yq4wI?t=285

punaperson

Yes, I AM going to belabor the point that these people are liars when they claim the Dickey amendment decreased firearm-related research.  :geekdanc:

Here's how Bloomberg creates a graph to make it appear as if research decreased (by comparing the articles published to the total number of all articles published in all medical journals about ANY subject matter):



Here's a chart from John Lott showing the publication of the actual number of articles:



An analogy would be that the Bloomberg methodology of creating that chart (in order to bolster their lie) is that you could make an identical chart showing that a person whose weight went from 180 pounds to 200 pounds over that same span of years could be compared as a percentage to the total weight of all people in the whole world and the chart would look as if they weighed less, unless you really read what is being measured... and is totally obvious... the person gained weight! Why don't they want people to know the simple truth?

zippz

Mdotweber

Just got back from testifying in person. I wish everyone could have seen the looks of disgust and hate in the room while HiFiCo pleaded our case. On a great note over a hundred written testimonies opposed, the DA's office also opposed(they approved of the idea but didn't want to be the ones footing the bill for it) Its a good start but we need to show up more in person, I was only there for about an hour. Let's make these leftist faces melt by showing up in person and voicing our position with facts to back them up. Cognative disedence on full display in that hearing room today...
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

punaperson

I'm compelled to make a public confession: I'm a naive ignoramus.

I postponed starting work today so I could read the testimony submitted on HB1541. After I read just the first two testimonies, from the state Department of Budget and Finance saying the bill likely wouldn't provide adequate funding for the measure's provisions, and from the Attorney General's office saying that they couldn't comply with the bill because they could have conflicts of interest and don't really have the capability of being in the research business, I thought "Goddamn, I sure am glad the people that write these bills are such dumbasses that they don't even bother to find out that the bills they write can't be implemented by the people the bill requires to implement it! Slam Dunk!" I then went through the rest of the testimonies and saw only two people favoring the measure (I didn't count the opposed, but many many times as many). We wouldn't even have to argue the merits if the very mechanics of both paying for and executing the provisions of the bill were torpedoed by the very agencies tasked with those requirements. Done deal! (I was thinking of the "universal background checks" law passed as a ballot measure in Nevada which was effectively voided when the agency (FBI) tasked with carrying it out said, "No".)

I went out to work feeling rather relieved. Goddamn am I a naive ignoramus. PASSED! With not one single NO vote! Not even the ostensible claimed Republican voted against it! Are you fucking kidding me?!

Why do we bother to even talk to these people?

zippz

Committee noted the 100+ testimonies submitted opposing.  Seemed a bit surprised.  It was passed and amended for UH to run it versus AG.  Kong and McDermott voted with reservations noting the bill should include defensive uses of firearms.

rpoL98

Committee noted the 100+ testimonies submitted opposing.  Seemed a bit surprised. ...
only 100 against?  that's not enough.  if all we're able to roust is 100 oppose, that's not gonna make enough of an impression.  weren't we getting 400 oppose last year?  or am I comparing guavas to mangos?

London808

only 100 against?  that's not enough.  if all we're able to roust is 100 oppose, that's not gonna make enough of an impression.  weren't we getting 400 oppose last year?  or am I comparing guavas to mangos?

We had 400 people on a bump stock ban.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

tillamook

only 100 against?  that's not enough.  if all we're able to roust is 100 oppose, that's not gonna make enough of an impression.  weren't we getting 400 oppose last year?  or am I comparing guavas to mangos?

If it makes you feel any better in Oregon we'd get thousands who opposed anti-gun bills, more people would show up to testify than could be accommodated in 2 days of testimony allowing only 2 minutes per person.  We'd have sheriffs and NRA and other pro-gun organizations show up to testify against these bills.  . 

Bills would still pass out of committee with 100% pass votes and then breeze through the rest of the process without opposition or amendments.

The legislators would straight up tell you that they were punishing gun owners.  There was one  who told all of the people who emailed him (several thousand) that they should all be monitored by the NSA because they opposed him. 

During the recall petition I ran it got even worse and made it very clear the level of corruption in the government and the lack of pretty much anything that the average citizen could do to influence a vote other than direct deposits of millions of dollars. 

I appreciate what everyone is doing here and have donated to HiFiCo twice and I'm telling everyone I know about these bills, but deep inside, I know it is all a waste of time. 

zippz

only 100 against?  that's not enough.  if all we're able to roust is 100 oppose, that's not gonna make enough of an impression.  weren't we getting 400 oppose last year?  or am I comparing guavas to mangos?

I counted 4 support and approx 117 opposed.  We'd normally get around 15 in past years for a bill like this so 117 is a big improvement.  I'm looking at a 4 year process to get that up to 1,000 for bills like this where it can make a big difference.  However that's just one piece.  We need people to testify in person.  More women involved.  Victims of crime involved.  dozens of people to talk to each legislator.  Educating the legislator.  Educating the gun community.  Uniting the gun community.  Getting third parties involved.

It'll take a significant effort, but we're getting there a small step at a time.  If 1,000 gun owners could contribute a couple hours a month, miracles could happen.