FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld- (Read 7434 times)

macsak

Testimonies need to be completed by the 20th February @ 8PM!

Four bills are up for a second committee hearing this week. These are the same four bills that the PSM committee deleted the testimonies for.
Well now's our time to shine. We have setup another form, This time making it EVEN EASIER to submit your testimonies. 1 page, 4 bills.
Fill out the one form, submitting testimony on each bill. Hit submit and we will HAND DELIVER the testimonies to the committee making sure your voices are heard and counted.
Visit https://hifico.org/2-22
“Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and opressions of the body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”
― Thomas Jefferson

Heavies

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 03:32:45 PM »
DONE!

macsak

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 03:45:10 PM »
Testimonies need to be completed by the 20th February @ 8PM!

Four bills are up for a second committee hearing this week. These are the same four bills that the PSM committee deleted the testimonies for.
Well now's our time to shine. We have setup another form, This time making it EVEN EASIER to submit your testimonies. 1 page, 4 bills.
Fill out the one form, submitting testimony on each bill. Hit submit and we will HAND DELIVER the testimonies to the committee making sure your voices are heard and counted.
Visit https://hifico.org/2-22
“Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and opressions of the body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”
― Thomas Jefferson

I notified HiFiCo that their link is not working

London808

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2019, 04:20:56 PM »
I notified HiFiCo that their link is not working

www.HIFICO.org/NOW
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

macsak

Heavies

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 04:31:40 PM »

London808

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 04:44:47 PM »
Did mine go through?  The link worked for me.

If the link worked and you filled out the forms, then yes it worked.

Im not sure if it was my website of FB that messed up my links. But they are working now.
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

Heavies

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2019, 05:32:39 PM »
If the link worked and you filled out the forms, then yes it worked.

Im not sure if it was my website of FB that messed up my links. But they are working now.
Roger that

6716J

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 08:04:22 AM »
Done
Did
Pau
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

likecarry808

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 03:55:39 PM »
Done!

AmbuBadger

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 09:29:48 PM »
My replies, as follow:

SB600: "I OPPOSE this bill on the grounds that it is meaningless and will do nothing to stop crime. Are we to believe that politicians feel US Citizens 18~20 are old enough to vote and serve in our military, but not lawfully own firearms? What happens when a military serviceman, under 21, is stationed here from another state? Are they to relinquish their firearms to comply with an utterly useless law? The bill also proposes requiring a "permit number" to be engraved upon the receiver of firearms brought into the state; the presence of a number will do nothing to actually prevent crime. Furthermore, data from Fabio et. al. published in 2016 (Anthony Fabio of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health) found that a staggering 79% of criminals who used a firearm in the commission of their crime WERE NOT THE LAWFUL OWNER. Even the FBI's own Uniform Crime Report states that, in the case of rifles, an individual is more likely to be murdered with a blunt weapon, hands/feet, or stabbed. Are you going to propose a serial number be engraved on our hammers and kitchen knives next? Guns don't cause crime, and neither do law-abiding citizens. Please, focus on actually SOLVING problems instead of padding your résumés with useless laws that will do nothing more than criminalize good people and create a backlog for the already overworked police officers at the Firearms Unit."

SB621: "I OPPOSE SB621. I have looked over the text at the Hawaii Capitol website and fail to see how such a measure would PREVENT a crime from occurring. I can see, however, how law-abiding citizens will become criminals if this law were to pass. Seriously, this law would only give us 24 hours to report a loss? Would I be found guilty of non-compliance should my firearms be stolen while I'm on vacation? What if I don't feel safe having a "designee" file a report of the loss because I don't want people to know where I store my firearms or how many I possess? What about our kupuna, our elderly? If they should have the misfortune of experiencing a burglary or house fire, are they to be charged with a misdemeanor because the loss of a firearm wasn't reported in 24 hours? What constitutes as "Act of God" or "inability of a county police department to receive the report"? Who decides whether to lawful owner is "otherwise seriously physically, or mentally impaired" and unable to report the loss? This senate bill is poorly-written, and really will do little to prevent a crime from occurring." NOTE: Alins Sumang used a stolen F-150 to kill three people and the truck wasn't reported as stolen. If anyone decides to mention it, just bear in mind that it could get quoted and may be seen as being in poor taste.

SB1466: "I OPPOSE SB466. The Senate Bill tries to infer that our strict anti-gun laws are to be credited for our low firearm crime rate, but numerous studies show that there is little correlation between the two. The law is redundant: Federal law already requires that those deemed mentally incompetent must be reported, and Temporary Restraining Orders are already available for cases where household members feel threatened. While the bill has a provision to charge someone with a misdemeanor for falsely filing for a court order, it is still likely this proposed law will be wrongfully weaponized. A 2011 Stop Abusive and Violent Environments report found that courts issue 1.5 million false or trivial temporary restraining orders every year. In half of those cases, no physical violence actually occurs. This makes up about 70% of the total number of restraining order courts issue every year. The cost to the taxpayer in each case is approximately $2,000 to issue, serve, and adjudicate the order. (https://www.aggressivelegalservices.com/false-allegations-of-domestic-violence/)"

SB1321: "I am writing in SUPPORT of SB1321. Hawaii gun owners are, by and large, law-abiding citizens. With the high cost of living seeing many of use working full-time or even two jobs, it isn't always easy for us to travel into downtown, battling both traffic and parking. For those wishing to obtain a handgun, the process is especially difficult: a trip to initiate the paperwork followed two weeks later by another to pick up the permit, and again to register the handgun. Those living on a fixed income or relying on public transportation will find this process especially arduous. The online registration system has only helped to marginally streamline the process, and hopes of opening a firearms unit at the Kapolei Police Station to serve those on the Ewa side of the island have pretty much disappeared.

We are not asking for a pass on registration; indeed, the proposed law clearly states that there is still a duty to register the firearm. We are only asking that this bill is passed to make it easier for us to comply with the law."

n2kilo

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 10:49:49 PM »
My testimony for those interested in writing along similar lines...pick and choose.
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I OPPOSE bill SB1466 for several reasons. First this bill has insufficient due process for the person accused of “”clear and convincing” signs of committing violent acts using firearms. If the signs are clear and convincing then they must be clearly and convincingly stated in the law in addition to the other ‘relevant evidence’ indicated in 134-D section (d). The word ‘may’ is the problem. Numerous people ‘may’ pose a danger to others, including the mentally ill, drug addicted, and the homeless – yet it is not illegal to be in any of those conditions and none of those conditions results in them being deprived of their constitutional rights (although they may be ineligible for firearms possession for other reasons).
 Section 334-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes was recently amended to read ""Imminently dangerous to self or others" means that, without intervention, the person will likely become dangerous to self or dangerous to others within the next ninety days." The phrase “”clear and convincing” in SB466 needs to be very specific. Section 334-1 results in the involuntary commitment of mentally individuals to a state facility.

Furthermore “Recent acquisition of firearms, ammunition, or other deadly weapons.” In an of itself is an insufficient criteria to disqualify someone from owning firearms. I have recently purchased a new handgun. Does this begin to send me down the road of showing “”clear and convincing” signs of violence? How recent is recent? How many firearms? How much ammunition? Furthermore, the entire point of the 14 day waiting period for permits to acquire firearms in Hawaii, and the burdensome requirement to register firearms within 5 calendar days of purchase is to reduce the chance of violence. If the 14 day waiting period and 5 day registration is not sufficient to prevent violence – then I would welcome the Senate and House to eliminate this law and replace it with SB1466 with some modifications.

Simply stating that recent acquisition of firearms, ammunition may be used as evidence to enforce a protective order is a direct affront to the 2nd amendment. In order to personally exercise the 2nd amendment – you have to acquire a firearm and ammunition. (ie. Keep and Bear Arms). By the logic of SB1466 we are providing grounds for that right to be restrained by buying a firearm.

SB1466 intends to deprive someone of their constitutionally enshrined right to keep and bear arms. The person so accused has committed no crime. It is not illegal to be angry. It is not illegal to be a hold disagreeable belief. Greater specify and protections for the accused are required – as the accused has committed no crime at all.
A person falsely or maliciously claiming that a firearms owner ‘may’ pose a danger to the public faces only a misdemeanor. A false claim of this kind is perjury and it should be penalized as a Class C felony like other perjury –as it can affect the future 2nd amendment rights of the firearms owner without even the benefit of a criminal trial. The penalties for a false accusation are not high enough, and will not deter an angry, malicious spouse or family member from simply using this law to hurt the accused firearms owner. 

SB1466 section 134-G (e) stating that the county police department may charge the respondent a fee not to exceed the reasonable and actual costs incurred by the department for storing a firearm or ammunition surrendered is fraught with danger of abuse. The reasonable and actual costs may be significant if the accused has a large collection of firearms and ammunition. The actual costs must be explored and made public, especially if the police are ill equipped to store a significant volume of firearms and ammunition. This fee is being levied on the accused firearms owner without the benefit of a criminal trial. If anything, the state should shoulder the burden of the costs of storage on behalf of the counties – as a public service for enacting such an odious law. 
I close with other issues with SB1466 which has to do with the introduction of the bill – which reveals the fallacies and prejudices inherent in the bill.
A)   Hawaii already has strong gun control laws. It also has the 2nd lowest per capita of gun deaths (as opposed to murder – a crime)
B)   The Pulse Night Club shooting would not have been prevented by this bill. Omar Mateen’s parents did not inform law enforcement of his intent. Seddique Mateen, Omar’s father was an FBI informant for 11 years and this did not stop the shooting. Omar Mateen has been under suspicion and investigation since 2013 after which the FBI concluded its terrorism assessment of Mateen prior to his heinous act. Only the FBI could have prevented this heinous crime – and it failed to develop a sufficient case despite having an informant. Furthermore Mateen’s wife was charged with and acquitted of aiding and abetting, as well as obstruction of justice related to the killings. The federal government lost its terrorism case because the jury found that Omar Mateen’s wife was unaware of his planned activities. SB1466 is utterly ineffective in this case.
C)   The Sutherland Springs Church shooting is another inappropriate example cited in the bill, and it is another, in this case explicit example of law enforcement failure. Devin Patrick Kelley was not eligible to purchase firearms under federal law (Lautenberg amendment) due to his military courts martial conviction for domestic violence. The U.S. Air Force failed to document this conviction in the FBI run NCIC database which would have resulted in him not being able to purchase the firearms he used in the crime. Kelley exhibited strange behavior that might apply in SB1466 – but with a properly documented courts martial conviction – the issue is moot
D)   The Las Vegas massacre perpetrated by Stephen Paddock.  The provisions of SB1466 would be utterly ineffective in this case. – Stephen Paddock had few people life that would even be in the position to file the complaint that would begin the process of establishing the protective order to deprive him of his firearms. The Las Vegas Sheriff's department and the FBI have found no motive for his actions. His girlfriend, one of the few close relations he had no inclination of what was about to take place in las vegas. Only his mass purchase of firearms in September 2016 would raise any suspicion – but SB1466 would not be the appropriate detector of this behavior.
For these reasons and more, I oppose SB1466 – it is too vague, does not provide sufficient due process, it does not protect the rights of the accused, and it would be completely ineffective against the kinds of mass shootings cited by the bill’s authors.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2019, 09:21:38 AM »
I submitted via capitol.gov, Mrs. change submitted via HIFICO

UsGuys

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2019, 01:49:07 PM »
Submitted my testimony yesterday, link worked like a charm. Super simple. However, my testimony wasn't as long and as elaborate as the ones posted above. Kinda makes me feel like the guy with the small dick in the locker room lol. Anyway... I do hope more people submitted.
Aloha

tillamook

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2019, 07:48:02 AM »
Do we have a list of bills and their current status anywhere?  Hard to follow all these bills to see which ones are still active and working through the legislature.

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2019, 07:54:04 AM »
Do we have a list of bills and their current status anywhere?  Hard to follow all these bills to see which ones are still active and working through the legislature.

First post in the group.  https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=33158.0

macsak

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2019, 07:55:11 AM »
Do we have a list of bills and their current status anywhere?  Hard to follow all these bills to see which ones are still active and working through the legislature.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit#gid=0

tillamook

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2019, 08:31:09 AM »
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit#gid=0

Thanks I shared this with my coworker who submitted testimony (I think the first time she did anything like that).  Good to see the AWB's going down

punaperson

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2019, 01:46:46 PM »
A n d... here are the results (no surprise really, we lost every one... but we did get one no vote on one bill we opposed: Senator Gabbard on the 18-20 ban):

SB600    

Measure Title:   RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title:   Firearms; Registration; Importation; Age
Description:   Provides that no person less than 21 years of age shall bring any firearm into the State.

2/22/2019   S   The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes in JDC were as follows: 3 Aye(s): Senator(s) K. Rhoads, Wakai, Kim; Aye(s) with reservations: none ; 1 No(es): Senator(s) Gabbard; and 1 Excused: Senator(s) Fevella.


SB621 SD1    

Measure Title:   RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title:   Firearms; Lost, Stolen, or Destroyed Firearms; Reporting Requirements; Penalties
Description:   Requires a person to report the person's lost, stolen, or destroyed firearms to the appropriate county police department. Establishes penalties for failure to report. (SD1)

2/22/2019   S   The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes in JDC were as follows: 4 Aye(s): Senator(s) K. Rhoads, Gabbard, Kim; Aye(s) with reservations: Senator(s) Wakai ; 0 No(es): none; and 1 Excused: Senator(s) Fevella.


SB1321 SD1     

Measure Title:   RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title:   Firearms; Registration
Description:   Clarifies that failure to register a firearm within the required time period does not relieve the owner of the duty to register the firearm. Allows the owner of an unregistered firearm to register the firearm thereafter without penalty. (SD1)

2/22/2019   S   The committee on JDC deferred the measure.


SB1466 SD1    

Measure Title:   RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
Report Title:   Firearms; Gun Violence; Protective Orders
Description:   Establishes a process by which a law enforcement officer or family or household member may obtain a court order to prevent a person from accessing firearms and ammunition when the person poses a danger of causing bodily injury to oneself or another. Takes effect 7/1/2050. (SD1)

2/22/2019   S   The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, WITH AMENDMENTS. The votes in JDC were as follows: 5 Aye(s): Senator(s) K. Rhoads, Kim; Aye(s) with reservations: Senator(s) Wakai, Gabbard, Fevella ; 0 No(es): none; and 0 Excused: none.


Just out of curiosity, does anyone here  believe that testimony from individuals advocating for Second Amendment-protected rights bears any weight at all in these committee hearings, espeically compared to government agency (police, judiciary, AG, etc.) testimony?

I have not viewed the committee hearing, so I have no idea what sort of "arguments", if any, were made by the politicians intent on continuing to infringe our rights.


Direjackalope

Re: FIRE MISSION! - these are the bills that the testimony was witheld-
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2019, 04:11:16 PM »
I doubt our testimony in such small numbers affects them and I doubt 30-40 of us showing up yesterday changed their minds but I’m confident we got noticed.

We all knew this was going to pass anyway, what we did do was get rid of our bad habits of waiting for HRA, NRA, or GOA to win for us in court. Mark up this year as a practice run. Take some young people and coworkers  to the range, get them some trigger time, walk them through the permit process, and then in 2020 when the next round of anti gun Bill’s shows up walk them through the testimony process and introduce them to HIFICO.

This isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon. This year was the warm up.