Is America Becoming a Communist Country? (Read 16761 times)

robtmc

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 11:02:50 AM »
If it gets to that point we will be engaged in 4GW.  I have a particular dis-like for Democrats and
I don't think I would continue to "comply" at that point. Not making any threats here, just saying
I don't have to do anything to help them out.
I stop complying if they are successful doing anything to Trump.  I have had it with these modern "liberals" and their Soviet/Mao style urges.

If they succeed with some of their schemes, the rule of law is over and we should act accordingly.

passivekinetic

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2019, 11:18:58 AM »
You won't understand what communism really is and how it began unless you listen to what I posted.

People are willing to pick up guns and risk lives to defend the Constitution but few will do the REALLY hard thing, pick up earphones and sit still and spend some time to learn about the Big Picture. Most people's unwillingness to do exactly this is exactly why things are how they are today.
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

ren

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2019, 09:55:57 AM »
Communism will kill all the things we have grown to be comfortable with. We want more of it but we don't want to earn it ourselves. So some of us think communism will provide those things. Communism is that brick that will smash your ego, individualism and put power in the elites that sell you that pipe dream.

We forget...



love it or hate what that speech meant but if you own any type of stock, work for any US entity - Welcome :shaka:
It is what drives us. There are winners and losers - America gives you that choice of who you want to be.

So how many people are fleeing from communist states to come to America?
And how many are fleeing America to join a communist state?

America is too comfortable and I doubt will ever be a communist state. We have forgotten what our founding principles are and the work that needs to be done to sustain it.
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Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2019, 04:34:32 PM »
So how many people are fleeing from communist states to come to America?

Well let's see, there are only around five countries today that partially resemble or proclaim to be communist.  They are China, North Korea, Laos, Vietnam, and Cuba.  With the exception of China, where those Chinese coming here today have more to do with taking away high paying jobs from Americans rather than fleeing political persecution; there has been no dramatic exodus from the other four nations to the US in the last 20 years or so.


And how many are fleeing America to join a communist state?

Of course none, since there never has truly been a pure communist state as described by Karl Marx since the fall of the Soviet Union.


We have forgotten what our founding principles are and the work that needs to be done to sustain it.

100% correct.

I guess America needs to go back to its colonial heritage of slavery, lack of equal rights to women and to the non-European population, extermination of Native Americans, etc.

THANK GOD the purely racist Chinese Exclusion Act made into US Law in 1882 was deemed illegal in 1902 or else your family would have not been allowed to settle in the US.

ren

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2019, 04:46:07 PM »
THANK GOD the purely racist Chinese Exclusion Act made into US Law in 1882 was deemed illegal in 1902 or else your family would have not been allowed to settle in the US.

You assume I identify as the Chinese. I don't identify as Chinese. Why you bring race into this? Ad hominem attack  >:(  O0



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eyeeatingfish

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2019, 10:29:30 PM »
I stop complying if they are successful doing anything to Trump. 

What if they are successful in doing something to Trump because there became evidence that Trump did something fairly bad?

macsak

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2019, 05:47:09 AM »
What if they are successful in doing something to Trump because there became evidence that Trump did something fairly bad?

"fairly bad"- is that better or worse than "kinda awful"?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2019, 11:39:40 AM »
"fairly bad"- is that better or worse than "kinda awful"?

The Trump haters have stopped looking for anything "unlawful" and are willing to settle for "kinda awful".

That's a notch below just "awful".   :rofl:

The reasons for the shift are:

(1) they failed to find anything to support impeachment. They've resigned themselves to the obvious reality that Trump isn't leaving office before his first term is up.

(2) they are focusing on the 2020 election now. Anything they can use to smear Trump is now worth more than imaginary impeachable crimes.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2019, 01:05:37 PM »
The main flaw in Ben Shapiro's argument is that his utopia of capitalism and that America should move towards being a true capitalist state is a pipedream.

The founding fathers had no intentions of creating a nation state based on the economic notions of Adam Smith.  In the video above, Shapiro questions the validity of paying taxes to render government services that provides no benefit to him.  However, a quick read of the US Constitution, if he truly understands it, would clearly see the creation of a central government and with its prescribed ability, for example, to tax and create a military for the common defense.

Anyone who is a true capitalist knows government and taxes are the true enemy of personal freedom, as Shapiro would state.  Therefore, based on his perceptions of personal liberty and capitalism, America should not have any central government, taxation, or standing military at all, as they are all wasteful spending of the money he worked so hard to earn.

Hence, his notions and calls for America to become more capitalistic is as ideologically unrealistic as communism.

ren

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2019, 01:19:19 PM »
The main flaw in Ben Shapiro's argument is that his utopia of capitalism and that America should move towards being a true capitalist state is a pipedream.

The founding fathers had no intentions of creating a nation state based on the economic notions of Adam Smith.  In the video above, Shapiro questions the validity of paying taxes to render government services that provides no benefit to him.  However, a quick read of the US Constitution, if he truly understands it, would clearly see the creation of a central government and with its prescribed ability, for example, to tax and create a military for the common defense.

Anyone who is a true capitalist knows government and taxes are the true enemy of personal freedom, as Shapiro would state.  Therefore, based on his perceptions of personal liberty and capitalism, America should not have any central government, taxation, or standing military at all, as they are all wasteful spending of the money he worked so hard to earn.

Hence, his notions and calls for America to become more capitalistic is as ideologically unrealistic as communism.

Brn Shapiros education and experience outweighs yours.
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Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2019, 01:30:29 PM »
Brn Shapiros education and experience outweighs yours.

On that same note, he outweighs yours as well.  To his credit though, at least Shapiro will not display his mental deficiencies by posting endless personal attacks.      :shaka:

In any case, a person with a few degrees and excellent vocabulary does not necessarily mean they are smarter than everyone else.

ren

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2019, 01:37:56 PM »
On that same note, he outweighs yours as well.  To his credit though, at least Shapiro will not display his mental deficiencies by posting endless personal attacks.      :shaka:

In any case, a person with a few degrees and excellent vocabulary does not necessarily mean they are smarter than everyone else.


Yes he does outweigh my arguments. Hes definitely smarter than I am. Hence I subscribe to his channel. Personal attck? You ASSumed I identify as Asian.
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Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2019, 01:45:37 PM »
Yes he does outweigh my arguments. Hes definitely smarter than I am. Hence I subscribe to his channel. Personal attck? You ASSumed I identify as Asian.


You have on more than one occasion revealed your Chinese ethnicity in your posts on this forum.

groveler

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2019, 02:53:27 PM »
The main flaw in Ben Shapiro's argument is that his utopia of capitalism and that America should move towards being a true capitalist state is a pipedream.

The founding fathers had no intentions of creating a nation state based on the economic notions of Adam Smith.  In the video above, Shapiro questions the validity of paying taxes to render government services that provides no benefit to him.  However, a quick read of the US Constitution, if he truly understands it, would clearly see the creation of a central government and with its prescribed ability, for example, to tax and create a military for the common defense.

Anyone who is a true capitalist knows government and taxes are the true enemy of personal freedom, as Shapiro would state.  Therefore, based on his perceptions of personal liberty and capitalism, America should not have any central government, taxation, or standing military at all, as they are all wasteful spending of the money he worked so hard to earn.

Hence, his notions and calls for America to become more capitalistic is as ideologically unrealistic as communism.

I think you'all miss one really important point, that being until 1913 or so we did not have federal
income taxes.  Government ran off excise, import, and various others fees based on interstate commerce.
As soon as we gave that income tax  power to the Federal government we became history as a free people.  State government
even one as vile and corrupt as ours were supposed to have the  power, with the feds only duty being to make
sure everyone was secure from foreign invasion and rights were applied equally to all men
( plus some administrative stuff like
post service, common money, et al.).
We defined a central government, to allow us to be free and prosper, fairly, independently,
not to be robbed to feed the whims
of the oligarchs in WA DC.

Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2019, 03:19:14 PM »
I think you'all miss one really important point, that being until 1913 or so we did not have federal
income taxes.  Government ran off excise, import, and various others fees based on interstate commerce.
As soon as we gave that income tax  power to the Federal government we became history as a free people.  State government
even one as vile and corrupt as ours were supposed to have the  power, with the feds only duty being to make
sure everyone was secure from foreign invasion and rights were applied equally to all men
( plus some administrative stuff like
post service, common money, et al.).
We defined a central government, to allow us to be free and prosper, fairly, independently,
not to be robbed to feed the whims
of the oligarchs in WA DC.

You are totally correct.

I would only add the introduction of federal income taxes were enacted the same time when private central banking (i.e., Federal Reserve Bank) was reintroduced in the US in 1913.  In order to pay the interest on the money the US borrows from the FED, the Revenue Act had to be passed in order for taxes to be collected to pay the principal and interest owed to them.

groveler

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2019, 03:53:06 PM »
You are totally correct.

I would only add the introduction of federal income taxes were enacted the same time when private central banking (i.e., Federal Reserve Bank) was reintroduced in the US in 1913.  In order to pay the interest on the money the US borrows from the FED, the Revenue Act had to be passed in order for taxes to be collected to pay the principal and interest owed to them.

I loan the US government money all the time.
I buy Tbills. That way I earn interest on my money and
It won't be taxed by the Hawaiian tyrants that rape our beautiful
Aina.
I'm not the FED.
If it weren't for Democrats, the Federal government would never
have grown to the monster it has become.
I don't blame the FED, I blame Democrats.

Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2019, 05:50:34 PM »
I loan the US government money all the time.
I buy Tbills. That way I earn interest on my money and
It won't be taxed by the Hawaiian tyrants that rape our beautiful
Aina.
I'm not the FED.
If it weren't for Democrats, the Federal government would never
have grown to the monster it has become.
I don't blame the FED, I blame Democrats.

Wait a minute, the bloated monstrosity of the federal government goes way beyond the Democrats and their advocacy of endless social programs for the poor, illegal immigrants, and etc.  The Republicans are also to blame for that bloat in particular for their unyielding support of military spending, which has historically taken the lion's share of the discretionary spending within the US Federal budget.

Yes, there are many inefficient and unproductive bureaucracies that owe their creation to the Democratic Party platform.  However, the number of questionable US bases and garrisons along with its logistical supply the US has all over the World is a product of the Republican Party platform as well.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2019, 06:34:36 PM »
Wait a minute, the bloated monstrosity of the federal government goes way beyond the Democrats and their advocacy of endless social programs for the poor, illegal immigrants, and etc.  The Republicans are also to blame for that bloat in particular for their unyielding support of military spending, which has historically taken the lion's share of the discretionary spending within the US Federal budget.

Yes, there are many inefficient and unproductive bureaucracies that owe their creation to the Democratic Party platform.  However, the number of questionable US bases and garrisons along with its logistical supply the US has all over the World is a product of the Republican Party platform as well.


Yet, the fact remains that a strong military is a Constitutionally-mandated duty of the federal government,

Supporting the people from cradle to grave is not. Those duties are supposed to be relegated to the states, as they are going to be more efficient and focused on their needs than a federal bureaucracy.  Federal welfare programs don't replace state programs. They just add additional cost and overhead -- and control.

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To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2019, 07:08:32 PM »
Yet, the fact remains that a strong military is a Constitutionally-mandated duty of the federal government,

Supporting the people from cradle to grave is not. Those duties are supposed to be relegated to the states, as they are going to be more efficient and focused on their needs than a federal bureaucracy.  Federal welfare programs don't replace state programs. They just add additional cost and overhead -- and control.


Having a military that is up to challenge of protecting its borders is one thing.  Having a military to garrison the planet is another issue entirely.  Throughout history, only aggressive empires employed substantial military way outside its borders.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Is America Becoming a Communist Country?
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2019, 10:05:05 PM »

Having a military that is up to challenge of protecting its borders is one thing.  Having a military to garrison the planet is another issue entirely.  Throughout history, only aggressive empires employed substantial military way outside its borders.

So, you're an isolationist?

Screw the rest of the world. If Germany takes over Europe, Russia takes over Asia and Scandinavia, Iran creates a caliphate in the Middle East (nuking Israel as they go) and Japan takes over the Pacific, we'll just let our allies fend for themselves?

Is it really that simple?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw