If you can find the vid and his manifesto b4 its removed.

Vid (body cam shooter wore) showed people bunching up in 2 corners.

1 guy rushed but was shot. But managed to knock the shooter down. So had either groups rushed him, they would have been able to stop the shooting. But since they were huddled in corners, they were huge targets. No one was armed at this mosque.

2nd mosque, an armed muslim chased the shooter away. No info yet.

Manifesto is 100% white supremesist. Media aleady blaming Trump. But in his manifesto he says he only likes Trump because he is white. As a leader and policy maker he does not.

So active shooter, hiding doesnt work. Youre screwing yourself. Need to fight, even if unarmed. And urge others to "rush" with you.

Idk islam culture and if guns are allowed in the mosque.

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This is from the "SUN"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8642007/christchurch-mosque-shootings-brit-gunman-racist-manifesto-trump-supporter/

"He boasted that he chose to use firearms so he could influence politics in the US.
“Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states," he wrote.
“This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.”"

Reminds me of the charlie manson helter skelter thing.

What an asshole

Article sent by a friend in NZ. Much different reporting than US media.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/111313238/shooting-at-christchurch-mosque

Good vs evil will never end

Good vs evil will never end

Thats what i tell people. Very hard to stop a motivated individual with evil in their hearts.

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Did the gunman go fully semiautomatic or a fully automatic??

We all know only law abiding citizens do this kind of thing!
                (The call for gun control)!!
The gunman also had IEDs they sould be some kind of law to prevent criminals from being criminals!!

It seems like those people just cowered together and hoped it would end rather than try to do something to stop it.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

Sorry,.. I have no sympathy for people who do that.

 Even wild animals in nature have more common sense than that.
 (eg. never come between a mother and her child)

 Personally, I made a promise to myself that if ever faced with a similar situation, I would try to do something.
Anything is better than nothing.

It seems like those people just cowered together and hoped it would end rather than try to do something to stop it.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

Sorry,.. I have no sympathy for people who do that.

 Even wild animals in nature have more common sense than that.
 (eg. never come between a mother and her child)

 Personally, I made a promise to myself that if ever faced with a similar situation, I would try to do something.
Anything is better than nothing.

I give the women and children a pass when it came to doing noting.  Because even in their culture, they do nothing (male dominated).  I do fault the men for not taking any action, well except for that 1 guy who managed to knock the shooter down.

I even have to have a discussion with Mrs.CMO when we get on a plane.  If someone goes aloha snackbar, I need her to back me up because odds are, most people will just sit and do nothing.  Sheepdog vs. sheep vs. wolf.

If anyone can't find the vid or manifest, lmk and I can write a break down here.

Fake news running "Trump supporter" headline hard.  And sheep who don't bother to research agreeing MAGA=bad.

Very disgusting. Seems NZ gun laws are less restrictive than many non US countries, however, every restriction they have didn't and couldn't have stopped the individual beforehand. 
 
Looking at the laws reminds me somewhat of our laws in Hawaii.  Strict vetting, permit by police discretion, and no real ability to carry for self defense.  This could EASILY be a Hawaii tragedy.   

A sick f*ck in New Zealand wants to cause civil war in the US? What kind of BS is this? 

The “gang up” mentality against the shooter is needed. We had done some training for various active shooter scenarios. I was the shooter in a few cases where I mock attacked the class before our class with a SIRT gun. First thing I noticed is that it takes folks a bit to figure out that something’s going down. Many freeze and sort of look around to see what happened and others do. Second was that it folks a while to find exits.

Then even when we had trained in the “gang up” against the attacker, many times only one person took me on. The training lessons were for to resist as a group and overwhelm. As I was mock shooting folks, I found that I often didn’t see the person coming from my 3 and 9 o’clock, where I would normally have seen with my periferal vision, and it was surprisingly pretty easy to take me to the ground. Even for a female who was about 5’3” ish and maybe 120 lbs. I outweighed her by about 60 lbs. But even if she didn’t take me down, it was enough to get me to stop shooting and a good window for others to pile on, but many times others just kept on running. Eventually I usually was able to get the first person off of me and go back to shooting those who had hidden in other area of the room.

So yeah, “gang up” and resist and hope others got your back, like Mrs. CMO. 

The “gang up” mentality against the shooter is needed. We had done some training for various active shooter scenarios. I was the shooter in a few cases where I mock attacked the class before our class with a SIRT gun. First thing I noticed is that it takes folks a bit to figure out that something’s going down. Many freeze and sort of look around to see what happened and others do. Second was that it folks a while to find exits.

Then even when we had trained in the “gang up” against the attacker, many times only one person took me on. The training lessons were for to resist as a group and overwhelm. As I was mock shooting folks, I found that I often didn’t see the person coming from my 3 and 9 o’clock, where I would normally have seen with my periferal vision, and it was surprisingly pretty easy to take me to the ground. Even for a female who was about 5’3” ish and maybe 120 lbs. I outweighed her by about 60 lbs. But even if she didn’t take me down, it was enough to get me to stop shooting and a good window for others to pile on, but many times others just kept on running. Eventually I usually was able to get the first person off of me and go back to shooting those who had hidden in other area of the room.

So yeah, “gang up” and resist and hope others got your back, like Mrs. CMO. 

That is the hardest part to overcome, even as a trained operator.  Is the delay from the shooting, to your brain, to your body.  And if someone is in a state of SHTF 24/7, they will easily burn out.  So imagine being in that state for months even years and nothing happens.  Well we all do know that 1 guy who is always "jumpy".  Don't want to end up like him.

Was this class local?  I would like for me and Mrs. CMO to attend.  I've seen many in Vegas.

Very disgusting. Seems NZ gun laws are less restrictive than many non US countries, however, every restriction they have didn't and couldn't have stopped the individual beforehand. 
 
Looking at the laws reminds me somewhat of our laws in Hawaii.  Strict vetting, permit by police discretion, and no real ability to carry for self defense.  This could EASILY be a Hawaii tragedy.   

A sick f*ck in New Zealand wants to cause civil war in the US? What kind of BS is this? 

From what I was able to look up, NZ has no 2a.  So issuing a permit to buy a gun is at the sole discretion of the police.  You need a reason and self defense is not a very good one.  But when they do issue permits to buy, they factor in mental health and character also.  But they do not have a registration.  So after your permit is issued, who knows what you bought and how much.  Also they can issue permits for full auto, but those are rarely issued (more to contractors/private security).

I didn't see any mention if the guns were purchased legally or not. 

So issuing a permit to buy a gun is at the sole discretion of the police.  You need a reason and self defense is not a very good one. But when they do issue permits to buy, they factor in mental health and character also.  But they do not have a registration.  So after your permit is issued, who knows what you bought and how much.  Also they can issue permits for full auto, but those are rarely issued (more to contractors/private security).

I didn't see any mention if the guns were purchased legally or not.

I remember a couple years back a NZ couple came to one of HRA’s Sunday Fun Shoots, and he gave us a 5-minute primer on NZ gun laws. In summary, great in many ways, not so much on others, and when applying for a permit DO NOT use self-defense as your reason for acquiring...the guy emphasized that a few times.

I remember a couple years back a NZ couple came to one of HRA’s Sunday Fun Shoots, and he gave us a 5-minute primer on NZ gun laws. In summary, great in many ways, not so much on others, and when applying for a permit DO NOT use self-defense as your reason for acquiring...the guy emphasized that a few times.

Do they have mag limits, SBR, or suppressors, ccw?

My buddy used to live 5 miles from the mosque. He said he knows the family that lived right near the mosque and the gunman parked his car in their driveway prior to the attack.

He lives on the north island now. Seems like the gun laws are same in all NZ, but there are ‘arms officers” (what he calls them) that can be good or bad to deal with. I know my buddy has ARs and suppressors.

That is the hardest part to overcome, even as a trained operator.  Is the delay from the shooting, to your brain, to your body.  And if someone is in a state of SHTF 24/7, they will easily burn out.  So imagine being in that state for months even years and nothing happens.  Well we all do know that 1 guy who is always "jumpy".  Don't want to end up like him.

Was this class local?  I would like for me and Mrs. CMO to attend.  I've seen many in Vegas.

Yeah. While S/A is key, one can’t be turned on all the time. At least I can’t be.

Yeah, the class is local. I stopped going for family health reasons, and haven’t gone back due to some of my own recently. That said, I personally wouldn’t recommend you go to there. A buddy that I met from those classes is tinkering with doing stuff on his own. Hit me up via PM if you want some info.

BAN MOAR GUNZ!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-prime-minister-says-our-gun-laws-will-change/ar-BBUOf42?ocid=spartanntp

Do they have mag limits, SBR, or suppressors, ccw?

Don’t remember too much else from his spiel. On the note of “Arms officers”, he did mention most people tend to leave the range right when the officer shows up...not sure why...