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Bknelson

Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« on: March 17, 2019, 01:06:36 PM »
Anybody travelled with firearms on Hawaiian? Flying out tomorrow and just wanted some info. TSA says the Ammo can travel in the same case as the firearm. But Hawaiian says no it has to go separate? Sounds like a ploy to squeeze money out of you for checked bags to me... any thoughts?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2019, 01:24:28 PM »
Quote from: Bknelson on March 17, 2019, 01:06:36 PM
Anybody travelled with firearms on Hawaiian? Flying out tomorrow and just wanted some info. TSA says the Ammo can travel in the same case as the firearm. But Hawaiian says no it has to go separate? Sounds like a ploy to squeeze money out of you for checked bags to me... any thoughts?

I never put ammo inside that locked gun case (I use Pelican cases). I place my locked Pelican pistol case inside my one checked bag next to my ammo in approved packaging. Never had an issue.

Don't get confused between "case" and "checked bag". If you don't put ammo inside the locked case, you should be fine.
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Bknelson

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2019, 01:58:42 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on March 17, 2019, 01:24:28 PM
I never put ammo inside that locked gun case (I use Pelican cases). I place my locked Pelican pistol case inside my one checked bag next to my ammo in approved packaging. Never had an issue.

Don't get confused between "case" and "checked bag". If you don't put ammo inside the locked case, you should be fine.

The box the Ammo comes in is considered “approved packaging” right?
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RSN172

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2019, 02:00:40 PM »
Hawaiian now wants it in a separate case.  I nested a small suit case inside a big one and put the ammo in there.  The gun case inside the same suit case and no problem.  I had it in two separate suitcases coming back since I bought stuff on the mainland.  PHX will have you take the suitcase with the firearm to the TSA Office.  They will examine it there and you then go to your boarding gate.  That's the only airport that does that in my experience, but I only have flown with a firearm out of ITO, HNL, LAS and PHX.  I traveled earlier this month on HA.
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drck1000

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2019, 02:01:39 PM »
I’ve traveled on Hawaiian with firearms a bunch of times. The most recent on last year I had the ammo separate from my gun case. It was in a locked container in my checked bag.

There was a thread a while back on this and I and another member posted our experiences. We were all in line at HNL headed to the Big Island and we all had slightly different experiences with three separate CS agents. My best advice is to print out the airline’s posted policy and have it with you. Of course follow that policy. I’ve flown a few times where the airline gate agent had their own policy, which was different than both TSA and that airline.
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jase90

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 02:17:41 PM »
I flew Hawaiian last December. I had my ammo in the same Pelican Case as my handgun. I called ahead of time to get confirmation. They rep told me as long as it's in a hard lockable case and ammunition is in it's original packaging it can be flown.
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changemyoil66

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2019, 07:02:08 PM »
Same suitcase is fine. Ammo cannot be inside guncase.

Becareful. Bulk ammo packed in a plastic bag and then in a cardboard box is a no go.

It jingles.

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kkhawaii

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2019, 04:30:57 AM »
Just be aware that Hawaiian Airlines's policy is different from TSA.

Ran into some trouble coming home from Maui. When I was flying to Maui, gate agent asked if there was ammo in the gun case and I told her “yes” and she said ok. Put on the “aft only” tag and that was the end of it. When checking in on Maui, the gate agents were arguing with each other on what was right and actually took my gun case off the belt before it went down the tunnel. Got the manager to come out and explain that they have stricter guidelines than the TSA. This resulted in me checking in a CARDBOARD box just for a box of ammo.

 I guess Hawaiian airlines thought it made sense or was “safer” to ship ammo in a cardboard box with nothing else in it rather than in a locked container. Their exception to having ammo in the same case as your firearm is if you’re law enforcement.
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Influence

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2019, 06:42:24 AM »
Traveled on Hawaiian in both October and Jan with ammo in the same case as the gun which was inside of my suitcase.  I had the stock small, 20 round ammo box and had all the rounds in there.

Had no issues at any time, however, my pelican case had holes for two locks.  That particular rep said I needed a lock for each hole but let me go that time.
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Bknelson

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2019, 08:16:55 AM »
It really sounds like everyone has had a different experience which is quite frustrating, I wish there were some uniformity with airline policies and TSA. Sucks that I have to check another bag just for 2 boxes of ammo on a 20 minute flight  :wacko:
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jase90

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2019, 08:23:04 AM »
Just read the Hawaiians firearms transportation requirements again. It's says "packed separately in the manufacturer's original package OR securely packed in fiber, wood or metal boxes." (If it's loose ammo?) When they say "separate in manufactures original package" does NOT IN THE GUN OR MAGAZINES BUT IN ITS OFF THE SHELF BOX AND IN THE SAME LOCKABLE HARD CASE count as separate? They need to clarify after separate. Separate from the ammo being in the gun and / or magazines, separate container entirely away from the firearm?

Because sh!t, the past four trips I took I had my ammo packed in the same case as my firearm. I even cut out the foam to fit a box of 50 Federal 9mm HSTs.

I even called to confirm that I could have my ammo locked in the same hard case as my firearm and they said yes it was allowed as long as it is locked.

Hawaiian Airlines need to get on the same page on what is the absolute requirement is and word it so that there is no room for confusion or interpretation. I will now travel to the stricter rule. I'm guessing I just got lucky four times in a row. I could have easily missed a flight because of the wishy washy understanding of the transportation rules.
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asdfjkl

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2019, 10:14:17 AM »
Most of the customer service agents have little to no experience with firearms outside of what the scope of their job is at Hawaiian. Most times they don’t even look inside my bag, just ask me if it’s locked and unloaded. I fly weekly on Hawaiian and check firearms every time. I always travel with ammo in original packaging (box) or a plastic ammo box from Cabelas and I keep that in the same locked case that my firearm is in. I used to just leave it in the mags before I saw their updated policy recently but even before then I’ve never had an issue flying out of HNL.

Honestly, the agents barely look inside your case and rarely even ask me to open the case to verify the contents and whether the firearm is unloaded. As long as you sign the Firearms Declaration Tag and are within TSA Standards for traveling with a firearm they really won’t give you any hassle.

The ONLY place that I’ve has an issue with ammo being in the same case/suitcase is at JFK where the NY Port Authority requires you to keep ammo in a separate suitcase from your firearm and a Port Authority officer actually comes to the counter and physically checks everything before you lock it >:D

The AFT Bag Tag is required on Hawaiian now because of their new Airbus 321NEO aircraft. The forward cargo area can get pretty hot and they don’t want any ammo to go off.
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changemyoil66

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2019, 10:27:20 AM »
I forgot to add that in Dec, I brought my box of JHP ammo and 1 round was missing. Same 1 round that was stolen from my last trip to Vegas.  The counter lady for HA had to call her supervisor because the box was not full.  So 49 of 50 rounds.  But she got the OK and let me pass.

So again inconsistencies, but the rules are on your side if you print them out or pull them up on your phone.

On the way home, the Vegas HA lady didn't care.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2019, 11:15:31 AM »
I use the plastic MTM divided ammo boxes when I check-in bulk ammo. It's more protective than a cardboard box with a divider. A retail ammo box can rip (while some TSA inspector is fiddling with it?).

I've never been asked about them, but if I am, "That's the way I bought the ammo."   :thumbsup:

I haven't traveled since the baggage claim shooting in FL, but I've seen some airlines started zip-tying the gun case shut to try and prevent another such shooting.  Kind of stupid. Anyone with a brain knows they could put a blade or snips in the same checked bag.   :wacko:
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changemyoil66

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2019, 11:33:55 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on March 18, 2019, 11:15:31 AM
I use the plastic MTM divided ammo boxes when I check-in bulk ammo. It's more protective than a cardboard box with a divider. A retail ammo box can rip (while some TSA inspector is fiddling with it?).

I've never been asked about them, but if I am, "That's the way I bought the ammo."   :thumbsup:

I haven't traveled since the baggage claim shooting in FL, but I've seen some airlines started zip-tying the gun case shut to try and prevent another such shooting.  Kind of stupid. Anyone with a brain knows they could put a blade or snips in the same checked bag.   :wacko:

But how do you blade the snaps if knives and liquids over 3oz are banned also?  Oh yeah, you can use any solid object to twist and break the zipties.

Let's not get into if liquids over 3 oz are so dangerous and must be thrown out, there is a bin full of them before TSA check point.  Taiwan actually makes you dump the liquid into a bin and the  bottle in another.  Then someone empties the desk trash can sized bin filled with liquid as it fills.
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RSN172

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2019, 12:16:08 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on March 18, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
But how do you blade the snaps if knives and liquids over 3oz are banned also?  Oh yeah, you can use any solid object to twist and break the zipties.
You put in the checked bag like he said.
Let's not get into if liquids over 3 oz are so dangerous and must be thrown out, there is a bin full of them before TSA check point.  Taiwan actually makes you dump the liquid into a bin and the  bottle in another.  Then someone empties the desk trash can sized bin filled with liquid as it fills.
I have to remember to bring some bleach and ammonia to dump in the bin.
 That should be fun.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2019, 12:35:44 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on March 18, 2019, 11:33:55 AM
But how do you blade the snaps if knives and liquids over 3oz are banned also?  Oh yeah, you can use any solid object to twist and break the zipties.

Let's not get into if liquids over 3 oz are so dangerous and must be thrown out, there is a bin full of them before TSA check point.  Taiwan actually makes you dump the liquid into a bin and the  bottle in another.  Then someone empties the desk trash can sized bin filled with liquid as it fills.

Please read all the words .....

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Anyone with a brain knows they could put a blade or snips in the same checked bag
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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drck1000

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2019, 05:39:17 PM »
Here's the thread that shares many of our past experiences. 

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29437.0
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rustyeleio

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2019, 08:55:50 PM »
I have flown to Vegas many times on Hawaiian with firearms.   Slighty different each time but never any major hassle thankfully.  Recently they have requested that I remove ammo from pelican case and place in luggage.  No big deal for me.  Locks needed on every hole is what i understand is the rule but i dont kNow if that is Hawaiian or TSA.    The weirdest thing they have told me is that the lock has to be TSA so I just try to explain to them that is exactly the opposite of what the YSA wants.  They give me a puzzled look but usually say Ok.
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Shoboshi

Re: Traveling on Hawaiian with Firearms
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2019, 04:26:28 PM »
Past few years I flew from HNL to Lanai roundtrip with a Pelican 1750. I fit two rifles and a few factory boxes of ammo all in the same Pelican 1750. No problem.

Now come Mouflon Sept 2018, I fly Hawaiian no problem to Lanai, but coming back the LNY HA agent says I have to pack in seperate check in. Luckily I had my cooler. I asked her I had no problems flying from HNL to LNY and she tells me thats because HNL has more security so its ok there (HNL) but not here (LNY). I dunno I didnt want to make a fuss because I did have a 2nd check in, but super frustrating when different agents tell you different things.
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