Opening this thread to conversation.

The data I posted nearly two months ago for "Stupid CFE Pistol 9mm" has really been from what it seems, controversial. Which makes me think I have violated a code of conduct for 2aHawaii?

I posted my disclaimers and warned people to not replicate my test. And if they are to use my data to only use it as a reference for THEIR OWN ladder testing.

If I have violated some code of conduct or etiquette by sharing my numbers I need to be told now.

My friends and I we're soon going to be ballistic gels testing on some hot 9mm reloads using Longshot and very inexpensive bulk target hollowpoints from Everglades and Precision Delta trying to get them to expand through clothing. I was going to post the data as soon as I collected them here on 2aHawaii to share.

From what it seems. That would not be taken very well here. Should I only post data that can be found in a book somewhere?

I think if the OP in a reloading topic starts off with "Please DO NOOOOOOOOOT replicate what I am about to share with you" then you might want to keep it to yourself. I look for beneficial information in the Reloading Topic that I can use, and since I would never go above published data, your information is useless. There are many members on many forums who will not post THEIR good loads, not because they don't want to share them, but because they don't want to be responsible if something goes wrong.

You have to ask yourself WHY you are posting that data?

Is it for your benefit, or for the benefit of the forum members?

If for the forum, what could the benefit be if the data, as you stated many times, can potentially cause damage or injuries, even death.

It's like posting instructions for making a pipe bomb with disclaimers. To what end is this being posted?

If you just want to demonstrate the results, then the details could be left out so others have no chance of recreating the loads. Anyone curious about the details could DM you directly, so it's not available publicly.

Just throwing that out for conversation.

I think if the OP in a reloading topic starts off with "Please DO NOOOOOOOOOT replicate what I am about to share with you" then you might want to keep it to yourself. I look for beneficial information in the Reloading Topic that I can use, and since I would never go above published data, your information is useless. There are many members on many forums who will not post THEIR good loads, not because they don't want to share them, but because they don't want to be responsible if something goes wrong.

Got it. I will keep warmer loads to myself.

You have to ask yourself WHY you are posting that data?

Is it for your benefit, or for the benefit of the forum members?

If for the forum, what could the benefit be if the data, as you stated many times, can potentially cause damage or injuries, even death.

It's like posting instructions for making a pipe bomb with disclaimers. To what end is this being posted?

If you just want to demonstrate the results, then the details could be left out so others have no chance of recreating the loads. Anyone curious about the details could DM you directly, so it's not available publicly.

Just throwing that out for conversation.

So would this be appropriate to post publicly for example, "This bullet expanded at xxxx velocity. However you decide to get there is on you."
No data posted, just maybe a picture of penetration and size of expansion?

This is a lot of work and expense for no real purpose.
Better to spend your precious time and money to improve your skill level.

I strongly recommend NOT using home made ammunition for defensive use.
It's a legal thing.

This is a lot of work and expense for no real purpose.
Better to spend your precious time and money to improve your skill level.

I strongly recommend NOT using home made ammunition for defensive use.
It's a legal thing.

Would never think of using it for home defense or CCW. I leave that to off the shelf JHP.

The JHP I was planning to test are just to have stored away in vacuum sealed bags as SHTF stash and practice while still having a practical value. That doesn't have the price tag of Gold Dots or XTP's.

All of it is really just tinkering and I wanted to share my results with others. It's looking like the consensus is these things should be kept as private information.

Would never think of using it for home defense or CCW. I leave that to off the shelf JHP.

The JHP I was planning to test are just to have stored away in vacuum sealed bags as SHTF stash and practice while still having a practical value. That doesn't have the price tag of Gold Dots or XTP's.

All of it is really just tinkering and I wanted to share my results with others. It's looking like the consensus is these things should be kept as private information.

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 you can post everything as long as you don't divulge powder charges way over any published data.
 I sometimes post data that is a little over published data. But I have reference books going back almost 40 years that often show numbers higher than what is currently in vogue today.
 You going to make real ballistic jello??? I'd like to see that.

So would this be appropriate to post publicly for example, "This bullet expanded at xxxx velocity. However you decide to get there is on you."
No data posted, just maybe a picture of penetration and size of expansion?

Sarcasm indicates you are not serious about having this "conversation". You just wanted a chance to vent.

I said RESULTS are fine (i.e. velocity, expansion, case condition, etc.). Data refers to the specific amounts of powders used to achieve those results.

But I think you know what I meant.

You also dodged the real meat of my comment:  WHY?  To what end?  What is the purpose?  For who's benefit?

Sarcasm indicates you are not serious about having this "conversation". You just wanted a chance to vent.

I said RESULTS are fine (i.e. velocity, expansion, case condition, etc.). Data refers to the specific amounts of powders used to achieve those results.

But I think you know what I meant.

You also dodged the real meat of my comment:  WHY?  To what end?  What is the purpose?  For who's benefit?

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 in reply #6 he says it would be for SHTF stash ammo, which sounds reasonable.
 I encourage people to experiment to satisfy their curiosity, albeit safely.
 On a few occasions I've done silly stuff like digging bullets from the backstop, washing them and reloading them.
 I posted that a couple years ago.

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 in reply #6 he says it would be for SHTF stash ammo, which sounds reasonable.
 I encourage people to experiment to satisfy their curiosity, albeit safely.
 On a few occasions I've done silly stuff like digging bullets from the backstop, washing them and reloading them.
 I posted that a couple years ago.

That says why he's doing the loads.

Doesn't explain why he's sharing it, particularly while warning people to not use the loads he posts.

I see no reason to post intentional over-charged loads. Unintentional could be used as a teachable moment.

That says why he's doing the loads.

Doesn't explain why he's sharing it, particularly while warning people to not use the loads he posts.

I see no reason to post intentional over-charged loads. Unintentional could be used as a teachable moment.

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 I think he is just excited about reloading and being able to tell people about his adventures.
 I don't think he'll be posting outrageous load data any more.

Right Jase?

Opening this thread to conversation.

The data I posted nearly two months ago for "Stupid CFE Pistol 9mm" has really been from what it seems, controversial. Which makes me think I have violated a code of conduct for 2aHawaii?

I posted my disclaimers and warned people to not replicate my test. And if they are to use my data to only use it as a reference for THEIR OWN ladder testing.

If I have violated some code of conduct or etiquette by sharing my numbers I need to be told now.

My friends and I we're soon going to be ballistic gels testing on some hot 9mm reloads using Longshot and very inexpensive bulk target hollowpoints from Everglades and Precision Delta trying to get them to expand through clothing. I was going to post the data as soon as I collected them here on 2aHawaii to share.

From what it seems. That would not be taken very well here. Should I only post data that can be found in a book somewhere?

So would this be appropriate to post publicly for example, "This bullet expanded at xxxx velocity. However you decide to get there is on you."
No data posted, just maybe a picture of penetration and size of expansion?

since you have already done the charge weight testing, the type of gun you use for the ballistic gel testing is almost irrelevant.  for your own safety, i would recommend that you shoot your ballistic gel test loads through a pistol caliber carbine or a 9mm bolt action.  the longer barrel of a rifle will give you the higher velocities that you desire without having to resort to overpressure loads shot out of a pistol.

for ballistic gel testing, the velocity of the projectile matters a lot more than the firearm it is shot out of.  you are essentially testing the performance of the bullet so it almost doesn't matter if the projectile is being shot from a 9mm luger case, or even if it were loaded into some wildcat 9mm rifle case.

Would never think of using it for home defense or CCW. I leave that to off the shelf JHP.

The JHP I was planning to test are just to have stored away in vacuum sealed bags as SHTF stash and practice while still having a practical value. That doesn't have the price tag of Gold Dots or XTP's.

All of it is really just tinkering and I wanted to share my results with others. It's looking like the consensus is these things should be kept as private information.

Why would you stash hotter loads for later, regardless of the reason?  If SHTF and you injure  yourself, you would even be more up the creek.

What would be a cooler test that could benefit everyone else is use standard loads or out of the box JHP and change the items in front of the gel.  Like 2 t-shirts or wife beater and dress shirt.  Or even a Level III plate and shoot a XM193 thru it.  Cell phone in jeans pocket, shirt and pizza box, car windshield + shirt, etc...You can use your imagination.

Why would you stash hotter loads for later, regardless of the reason?  If SHTF and you injure  yourself, you would even be more up the creek.

What would be a cooler test that could benefit everyone else is use standard loads or out of the box JHP and change the items in front of the gel.  Like 2 t-shirts or wife beater and dress shirt.  Or even a Level III plate and shoot a XM193 thru it.  Cell phone in jeans pocket, shirt and pizza box, car windshield + shirt, etc...You can use your imagination.

Off point. He's asking about acceptability of reload data.

By nature I am a sarcastic guy, so with that being said.

*GRACE PERIOD* this whole thread I call grace period.

Oldfart pretty much got it right. This is the first reloading adventure that I delved into ever since picking up a chronograph. Before the chrono I pretty much stayed low end and mid range because I had no metrics to go off of.

With the chronograph I started pushing it and pushing it until I felt that was enough for a production gun. Got pretty stoked about the velocities without casing bulging, primers popping out or my gun and face falling apart. And pretty much wanted to share the adventure. That's it.

I was pretty much clueless that over the book loads were not to be shared publicly.

The to what end you ask? My to what end was me trying to accomplish what an expensive powder like Vihta Vuori could do with the "poorer man's" powder.

As far as the "end" for the ballistics gel test I was planning to do in the near future. Oldfart got it right again. SHTF stock & practice ammo that can still expand at a certain velocity. No, that is not what it's intended purpose was and might not expand reliably within a larger extreme spread of velocity, but who cares. The bullet heads we're only $.08 or $.09 a pop and won't break a bank to train with. Unlike Gold Dots or XTPs $.20ish a head. So that was my "end" or train of thought.

Whenever I get to that I would still like to share that escapade with those who would possibly be interested. But as far as the specific data posted. I might have to consult with someone to see if that would even be appropriate or not.

Did you ever do anything with that bottle of CFEPistol I sold you?

I already know how to do a lot of stupid dangerous stuff.  I don’t think you posting you load info here presents some special danger. Post whatever you want.

Did you ever do anything with that bottle of CFEPistol I sold you?

It's still in my cabinet. I only tested with a specific lot number that I already had four bottles of, I'm running short of that lot # now. I have yet to test other lot numbers against each other.

I've been messing with slower burning powders recently. Accurate 7 and Longshot. Won't be using Accurate 7 again, I could only find it at WGS, it was pretty pricey, and it had almost the same results as Longshot.

I already know how to do a lot of stupid dangerous stuff.  I don’t think you posting you load info here presents some special danger. Post whatever you want.

That will probably be the stoning of me. At least to the extent that I experiment with my powders. Its looking like I will only post book data from now on and if someone is interested how high I went, they can always just PM me about it.