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A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« on: August 21, 2009, 12:10:07 PM »
While looking through various website, I came across the Second Amendment Foundation website.  On the list of leaders of the organization, I found Sam Slom listed as the secretary.  His name is pretty unique so I thought I'd look through his bio on his website and confirmed that they are on in the same.  Going through his record in the last legislative session, he introduced Senate Bills 327, 328, 357, and 358 which all relate to firearms.

More specifically, SB327 was "shall issue" revision to the concealed carry licensing laws, SB328 was a "shall issue" open carry bill, SB357 relating to self defense, and SB358 against the seizure of firearms in an emergency situation.

These bills (especially the first two) would have been a great boon to our rights.  Thank you, Sam Slom, for supporting out 2nd Amendment freedoms.
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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 02:16:25 PM »
Sam is one of our best assets in the legislature. Last year was not the first year he introduced pro-gun or pro-self-defense legislation. We need to make sure he, and others like him remain in office.

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 06:25:13 PM »
HiCarry,
Do you have a list compiled of the 2a supporting politicians here in Hawaii?
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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2009, 10:52:48 AM »
HiCarry,
Do you have a list compiled of the 2a supporting politicians here in Hawaii?
Not really. Most of the registered republicans are supportive, as are many democrats. Unfortunately, many don't want to be publically associated with gun rights despite their position. That is were the art of politics comes in. Not saying I like it, but that is the reality of the situation, at least until more constituents force their represenatives to be more forthcoming....We have put out a "who we support" during the elections, but that changes depending on the particular candidate's performance or public stance during the campaign.

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 03:56:14 AM »
Hi...new here, but I've been lurking for awhile. I noticed nothing has been said recently about SB-327, I heard it died off. To be honest, that was good and bad. Bad for the reason that it would have been a slight improvement over what we have now.

But good that it died off due to its current writing. That bill needs alot of changing before it will greater support. I posted a link to the bill below, but here are a few highlights....

"Knowledge or aptitude in any other area deemed necessary for licensure by the chief of police of the appropriate county."
Anything that the chief deems "necessary"......WIDE OPEN"
"Has been deemed a suitable person to be so licensed by the issuing police officer through means of a face-to-face interview;"
Just what does a suitable person look like???
"A written psychological evaluation that finds the applicant to be free from any emotional or mental condition that might adversely affect the ability of the applicant to carry a concealed pistol or revolver in a safe, lawful, and responsible manner. The psychological evaluation shall have been performed within six months prior to the date of application. Emotional and mental condition shall be evaluated by either of the following:

(A) A licensed psychiatrist who has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued after completion of the postgraduate medical residency education program in psychiatry; or

(B) A licensed psychologist who has at least the equivalent of five full-time years of experience  in the diagnosis and treatment of emotional and
 mental disorders, including the equivalent of three full-time years accrued post-doctorate.

Any costs associated with obtaining the psychological evaluation shall be borne by the applicant."
This ain't cheap, and its a bogus requirement.
"If the chief of police fails to issue or deny the license within forty-five days after the date of receipt of the items listed in subsection (e) or within such further time as may be necessary under subsection (f) (3), the application shall be deemed denied..."
If he has no reason to want to issue a permit, he can just sit on it until 45 days are up....NOT GOOD.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2009/bills/SB327_.PDF

Plus they will require fingerprints again, Don't we ALREADY provide fingerprints for a permit to aquire???

Too many loopholes in this bill IMO.

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 12:13:10 PM »
Absolutely correct. I just read through the bill again and saw how much verbiage is inside it.
Way too much and way too complicated.

But doesn't this work the same way as bills in the Federal Legislature? Where you can continually revise the bill as the session continues?

This a line that I caught:
Quote from: Page 15, Line 4
A license granted under this section shall only entitle the licensee to carry concealed pistols or revolvers with magazine capacities of ten rounds or less and that do not contain magnum caliber ammunition

That line should be stricken. First of all, the magnum attribution is arbitrarily assigned. Secondly, we are already not allowed to possess magazines that hold more than ten rounds, therefore would not be  able to carry.

Yes this bill needs work, but it is a good start. It looks like we have trouble even trying to get it out of committee, let alone get an actual vote on it. Imagine how difficult it would be if we made the bill the way it should be.  :o
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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2009, 12:30:09 PM »
I agree; a lot of the language is dangerously ambiguous.  I'd rather they take the time to get it right than to get it right-now. 
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If you wish for peace, prepare for war

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 12:58:47 PM »
I agree; a lot of the language is dangerously ambiguous.  I'd rather they take the time to get it right than to get it right-now.

Exactly my point. Trading the current statute for one with so many loopholes to continue to deny a permit is no change for the better.

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 07:34:14 PM »
I just checked on the Texas Concealed Handgun License laws and it is also pretty long but with less loopholes. I'm sure there are better examples out there but this is the first one I though of.


GC §411.172. ELIGIBILITY.
   (a) A person is eligible for a license tocarry a concealed handgun if the person:
      (1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
      (2) is at least 21 years of age;
      (3) has not been convicted of a felony;
      (4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense, or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense, or of a felony under an information or indictment;
      (5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense;
      (6) is not a chemically dependent person;
      (7) is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun;
      (8) has not, in the five years preceding the date of application, been convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or equivalent offense or of an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or equivalent offense;
      (9) is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to purchase a handgun;
      (10) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making a child support payment administered or collected by the attorney general;
      (11) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision of the state;
      (12) is not currently restricted under a court protective order or subject to a restraining order affecting the spousal relationship, other than a restraining order solely affecting property interests;
      (13) has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application, been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a penal law of the grade of felony; and
      (14) has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to Section 411.174.
   (b) For the purposes of this section, an offense under the laws of this state, another state, or the United States is:
      (1) except as provided by Subsection (b-1), a felony if the offense, at the time the offense is committed:
         (A) is designated by a law of this state as a felony;
         (B) contains all the elements of an offense designated by a law of this state as a felony; or
         (C) is punishable by confinement for one year or more in a penitentiary; and
      (2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is not a felony and confinement in a jail other than a state jail felony facility is affixed as a possible punishment.
   (b-1) An offense is not considered a felony for purposes of Subsection (b) if, at the time of a person's application for a license to carry a concealed handgun, the offense:
      (1) is not designated by a law of this state as a felony; and
      (2) does not contain all the elements of any offense designated by a law of this state as a felony.
   (c) An individual who has been convicted two times within the10-year period preceding the date on which the person applies for a license of an offense of the grade of Class B misdemeanor or greater that involves the use of alcohol or a controlled substance as a statutory element of the offense is a chemically dependent person for purposes of this section and is not qualified to receive a license under this subchapter. This subsection does not preclude the disqualification of an individual for being a chemically dependent person if other evidence exists to show that the person is a chemically dependent person.
   (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(7), a person is incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person:
      (1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control, or intellectual ability;
      (2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subdivision (1) that:
         (A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a future time; or
         (B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelopment;
      (3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician, determined by a review board or similar authority, or declared by a court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
      (4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.
   (e) The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subsection (d)(1):
      (1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization;
      (2) psychiatric hospitalization;
      (3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the preceding five-year period;
      (4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled substance, or a similar substance; or
      (5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition consisting of or relating to:
         (A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
         (B) bipolar disorder;
         (C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect, or brain injury;
         (D) dissociative identity disorder;
         (E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
         (F) antisocial personality disorder.
   (f) Notwithstanding Subsection (d), a person who has previously been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subsection (d) or listed in Subsection (e) is not because of that disorder or condition incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person provides the department with a certificate from a licensed physician whose primary practice is in the field of psychiatry stating that the psychiatric disorder or condition is in remission and is not reasonably likely to develop at a future time.
   (g) Notwithstanding Subsection (a)(2), a person who is at least 18 years of age but not yet 21 years of age is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun if the person:
      (1) is a member or veteran of the United States armed forces, including a member or veteran of the reserves or national guard;
      (2) was discharged under honorable conditions, if discharged from the United States armed forces, reserves, or national guard; and
      (3) meets the other eligibility requirements of Subsection (a) except for the minimum age required by federal law to purchase a handgun.
   (h) The issuance of a license to carry a concealed handgun to a person eligible under Subsection (g) does not affect the person's ability to purchase a handgun or ammunition under federal law.
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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 07:55:07 PM »
Wait I just had an idea for revisions to HRS 134-9 :)

     Â§134-9  Licenses to carry.  (a)  In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, The chief of police of the appropriate county may shall grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, The respective chief of police may shall grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted.  The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made.  Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

     (b)  The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:

     (1)  Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

     (2)  Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;

     (3)  Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and

     (4)  Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.

     (c)  No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.

     (d)  A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted.

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 08:38:49 PM »
Wait I just had an idea for revisions to HRS 134-9 :)

     Â§134-9  Licenses to carry.  (a)  In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, The chief of police of the appropriate county may shall grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, The respective chief of police may shall grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted.  The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made.  Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

     (b)  The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:

     (1)  Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

     (2)  Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;

     (3)  Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and

     (4)  Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.

     (c)  No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.

     (d)  A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted.


Strike #2 out and you might have something there.  :thumbsup:

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 10:03:29 PM »
Has anyone contacted Sen. Slom regarding this?
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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 12:19:30 AM »
I tried to email his state address but didn't get a reply.

That was about 1-2 months ago.
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 07:29:42 AM »
I tried to email his state address but didn't get a reply.

That was about 1-2 months ago.

A friend of mine sent him an email about a month after this bill was introduced....no reply. Gives me the feeling that we are on our own.  >:(

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Re: A friend in the Hawaii State Legislature, Sam Slom
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2009, 10:10:07 AM »
I think it's better to call him or see him personally.  Same thing happened to me, no reply.
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