Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law (Read 5134 times)

Mdotweber

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/22/nevada-governor-to-consider-signing-national-popular-vote-law/

Not sure how much of a defference it will make seeing as all of those states already vote Dem. What begs the question is why isn't the GOP filing lawsuits against this crap?
When I break this proposed law down to even my most leftist coworkers they all agree that it disenfranchises the voter and come around that it's a stupid idea.
The voters in these states are so willing to cave to group think that they will just give up their voice to large cities, but how would they feel if their EC votes were just nullified and thrown out same thing right? 80 EC Votes left and these dummies could get the majority they are after.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2019, 09:08:05 AM »
The GOP is a bunch of chicken shit cowards.  Almost all of them don't protect the president by speaking up at the injustice that is being done to him and his admin, or anyone he recommends for anything (see Kav example).  None of them want to be the next target in the DNC's eyes who also control the media.  They hope to remain off the radar.  Kind of like how you don't want to draw the attention of a DI.

There are only a few who stand up and ask the hard/fair questions.

They will lose totally if they don't step up and do something.  We don't want a nation run by the DNC.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2019, 10:00:15 AM »
I heard last night there are now 18 states in the National Popular Vote Compact. It only works if/when the compact represents 270 votes AND if the popular vote total conflicts with the outcome of the electoral college.

Talk about a conspiracy to interfere in Presidential elections.   :wtf:

Clinton lost partially because she decided to not campaign in states she believed were Democrat "locks". She focused more on the swing states that showed a potential swing to Trump instead. She wound up losing those three because Trump campaigned heavily there.

Changing the rules won't change the outcomes.  It'll just means the candidates need to adjust their campaign strategies. If densely populated cities rule the country, that's where candidates will go, offering policies that affect them.  Screw the blue collar worker and farmer states.

All that's needed to destroy the compact is a viable 3rd party candidate. That all but ensures no candidate gets a popular vote win without winning the electoral college. I honestly think Trump would win in a complete landslide in 2020 if he decides to become an Independent. It's a little late, now that Republicans hav donated so much to his reelection, but I think voters are tired of the perpetual two-party tribalistic election system.

« Last Edit: May 22, 2019, 10:05:32 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2019, 10:53:35 AM »
let's not forget about all the illegal voters in CA that counted toward the popular vote. Remove them and Trump wins the popular vote as well.  Why you think the DNC in CA wants illegals to have drivers license.  And we can safely assume they voted for Clinton.  Who would an illegal vote for, the candidate who wants more border security or the one that doesn't.

I personally know a guy who's mom voted, even though she died 5 years prior.

ren

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2019, 11:10:43 AM »
The GOP is a bunch of chicken shit cowards.  Almost all of them don't protect the president by speaking up at the injustice that is being done to him and his admin, or anyone he recommends for anything (see Kav example).  None of them want to be the next target in the DNC's eyes who also control the media.  They hope to remain off the radar.  Kind of like how you don't want to draw the attention of a DI.

There are only a few who stand up and ask the hard/fair questions.

They will lose totally if they don't step up and do something.  We don't want a nation run by the DNC.

the Democrats are doing things just short of a coup - that's what the Republicans need to call it and proclaim it loud
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2019, 11:12:14 AM »
let's not forget about all the illegal voters in CA that counted toward the popular vote. Remove them and Trump wins the popular vote as well.  Why you think the DNC in CA wants illegals to have drivers license.  And we can safely assume they voted for Clinton.  Who would an illegal vote for, the candidate who wants more border security or the one that doesn't.

I personally know a guy who's mom voted, even though she died 5 years prior.

Once the popular vote for President changes the outcome, there will be a myriad of law suits.  Two I can envision are: (1) disenfranchisement of a state's voters who voted for candidate A, but all electoral votes go to candidate B, and (2) voters demanding the state verify each and every vote was legally cast regardless of how tight the margin was. That will pave the way for a federal law requiring voter ID -- not leaving that up to the states. We need ID to buy alcohol and firearms. No reason to not require ID for voting.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2019, 11:35:38 AM »
Once the popular vote for President changes the outcome, there will be a myriad of law suits.  Two I can envision are: (1) disenfranchisement of a state's voters who voted for candidate A, but all electoral votes go to candidate B, and (2) voters demanding the state verify each and every vote was legally cast regardless of how tight the margin was. That will pave the way for a federal law requiring voter ID -- not leaving that up to the states. We need ID to buy alcohol and firearms. No reason to not require ID for voting.

Didn't you hear, a voter ID card is racist.  Heck, even Mexico has a voter ID card.

groveler

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2019, 11:36:13 AM »
the Democrats are doing things just short of a coup - that's what the Republicans need to call it and proclaim it loud
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This is a public forum.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2019, 11:50:06 AM »
Didn't you hear, a voter ID card is racist.  Heck, even Mexico has a voter ID card.

No evidence of that.

Lots of evidence to the contrary.

Saying minorities are too stupid or poor to get a free state ID is, in and of itself, racist -- or at the very least 100% ignorant.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

6716J

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2019, 09:50:03 AM »
Nevada (LV & Reno) is now just East California. When you look at the political makeup of all the counties, it's just those 2 that are Dem controlled now, but they make up the lions share of the population. And with Sisolak as the Governor, it's all downhill for Nevada. The progressive liberal disease is spreading across the country. Texas has almost flipped over based on Dallas, Houston & Austin populations. NM is lost, Colorado...lost. All they need to do is just put enough population in that will vote liberal and it goes. Doesn't even need to be a majority. Just enough to out vote conservative values.

One can only hope that there will be enough conservative judges for a while to shoot down these policies. If not then, I fear we will all be voting from the rooftops.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 10:31:40 AM »
And the worst part is people fleeing shithole CA are still voting democrat.  My good friend moved up there and is a Yang/Bernie fan.  I told him, why u think he left HI.  It's no coincidence that the top 10 poverty cities are run by the DNC.

But my other good friend just moved and he's voting GOP.  He grew up in Chiraq and San Diego.  So he saw over time how the DNC messed up the cities.  He's Chinese, not black.
He told me that NV is a swing state.  So right now they're more blue, but possible to turn red again.  Compared to CA who is going to remain blue.

ren

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2019, 12:18:06 PM »
No evidence of that.

Lots of evidence to the contrary.

Saying minorities are too stupid or poor to get a free state ID is, in and of itself, racist -- or at the very least 100% ignorant.



so we're listening to white people stereotypes and how they are "trying" to understand the socio economic challenges that these "minorities" face :crazy: They are so dumb. When people use "like" in every other word for a mental pause - I tune out.
Like...
I have no time for that sh!t...for real...literally...honestly

Let's apply the same logic to purchasing liquor. Why do we need to show ID to buy liquor? Poor people don't have access to ID "places" and no internet. But they should have access to alcohol.  :wacko: :crazy: Where's the outrage every time a cashier asks me for ID? Shouldn't the liquor industry lobby for no ID?
Deeds Not Words

Mdotweber

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2019, 01:49:10 PM »
Yup bigotry of low expectations is still racism. Another example would be the "Diversity Score" on the SAT's . Let's prop up lesser minds so that limited university slots can be filled by people who didn't qualify, because... you know privelage and the patriarchy. The country is in a heap of trouble, we have been set up for failure.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

zippz

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2019, 03:02:00 PM »
I don't see anything unconstitutional about it since States control their electoral votes.  Though doing it as a pact is questionable.

I'm just hoping the pact goes into effect and Trump wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2019, 04:07:36 PM »
I don't see anything unconstitutional about it since States control their electoral votes.  Though doing it as a pact is questionable.

I'm just hoping the pact goes into effect and Trump wins the popular vote and loses the electoral college.

While the Constitution leaves the selection of electors up to the states, there's a huge problem with this popular vote scheme.

True, a state can allow the legislature, the state's popular vote, or even the governor to decide who gets the state's electoral votes.  Those methods all involve selections made by the residents of the state.

Thus, if Colorado's popular vote, for example, was overwhelmingly for the Democrat slate for President & VP, but the electors cast their votes for the Republican ticket because they won the national popular vote, Colorado has just allowed voters in other states to choose who gets Colorado's electoral votes.

That's called disenfranchisement. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2019, 07:38:37 PM »
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/22/nevada-governor-to-consider-signing-national-popular-vote-law/

Not sure how much of a defference it will make seeing as all of those states already vote Dem. What begs the question is why isn't the GOP filing lawsuits against this crap?
When I break this proposed law down to even my most leftist coworkers they all agree that it disenfranchises the voter and come around that it's a stupid idea.
The voters in these states are so willing to cave to group think that they will just give up their voice to large cities, but how would they feel if their EC votes were just nullified and thrown out same thing right? 80 EC Votes left and these dummies could get the majority they are after.

I think the law would have to pass before the GOP could file suit so that might be why they haven't filed suits yet.

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2019, 09:31:24 PM »
If it were to pass, then the dnc will support more illgals

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punaperson

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2019, 06:50:01 AM »
If it were to pass, then the dnc will support more illgals
I don't believe there is "more" than "unlimited"...

Mdotweber

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 08:45:27 AM »
Good for NV, their (D) Gov. understands that the interstate pact would hurt them in the long run.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/30/nevada-gov-steve-sisolak-vetoes-national-popular-vote-bill/
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

changemyoil66

Re: Nevada Gov. contemplating signing the National popular vote law
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2019, 09:32:12 AM »
Does he foresee a problem with 2020?  It was close for the popular vote in 2016 and all 6 electoral voted for Hillary.  Maybe red wave taking over NV?  Might be hard to imagine with CA people moving to NV.