homeless drug problem = lack of treatment (Read 4839 times)

ren

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2019, 08:50:09 PM »
I wonder if the numbers will drop now that Katherine Kealoha and her drug-dealing brother, the doctor, are off the streets?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2019, 10:03:26 PM »
Nobody is serious about solving the homeless issue. It's just one band-aid fix after another. Having a real impact would require attacking the cost of living and too many influential people here are involved in price gouging.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2019, 08:53:32 AM »
I call lack of treatment a cover.  More like lack of motivation and being a dumbass.

Everyone knows meth,crack, etc... are bad and very addicting.  But yet they choose to do it.  I don't care what problems someone has, to do drugs like that isn't going to make things any better.  Crackhead OD's, I say fuck em, 1 less on the street.  I just wish more would OD and the problem will solve itself.  That's why dealers in Hawaii made their drugs weaker.  Notice how crackheads here don't have as much sores and scratching as much compared to the mainland?  Hawaii has a smaller market and they kept dying.  So basically the drugs here are shit.

Went to Vegas last year and saw a good amount of crackheads with sores and the itch.  Not so much here.  They just get the crackhead walk.

drck1000

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2019, 09:05:57 AM »
For the second night in a row, police crack down on more illegal homeless camps

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HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - For the second night in a row, police converged on more Honolulu parks as part of a crackdown on those living in illegal homeless encampments.

On Thursday night, police conducted enforcement efforts at Aala Park, Old Stadium Park and Crane Community Park — three parks known for their large homeless populations.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/06/06/police-crack-down-illegal-homeless-kakaako-amid-safety-concerns/

Old(er) news, but just saw this.  I drove past Old Stadium Park the other day and I noticed how crowded it was.  I'll have to see how it looks now.  And reading the comments on the article is pretty :facepalm:
« Last Edit: June 07, 2019, 09:12:15 AM by drck1000 »

drck1000

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2019, 09:12:50 AM »
I call lack of treatment a cover.  More like lack of motivation and being a dumbass.

Everyone knows meth,crack, etc... are bad and very addicting.  But yet they choose to do it.  I don't care what problems someone has, to do drugs like that isn't going to make things any better.  Crackhead OD's, I say fuck em, 1 less on the street.  I just wish more would OD and the problem will solve itself.  That's why dealers in Hawaii made their drugs weaker.  Notice how crackheads here don't have as much sores and scratching as much compared to the mainland?  Hawaii has a smaller market and they kept dying.  So basically the drugs here are shit.

Went to Vegas last year and saw a good amount of crackheads with sores and the itch.  Not so much here.  They just get the crackhead walk.
I'm certainly no expert on homeless or drug situation in HI.  I didn't sleep at a Thomas Square Inn last night.  But it was my understanding that the opioid thing in HI is also quite bad. 

There was that article the other day about how many homeless on drugs or alcohol die before seeking help.  Something like 300+ last year.  Of course, the blame was that treatment facilities/services was the problem.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2019, 09:45:45 AM »
It's a typical ploy to identify a problem affecting people's lives, then cast at least partial blame on "the government" or "the system."

Doing so absolves individuals of the responsibility they have for the problem.  That makes it more unlikely people will kick their habits.  Until they accept they are the ONLY ones who can do it, they can't be forced to get clean.

Many on the streets use alcohol and illegal drugs to self-medicate their mental illnesses.

Blaming the lack of facilities is just one more way in which bureaucrats and politicians push for more funding.  They hire more people, but the problem remains.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

dafrtknocker

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2019, 04:56:24 PM »
They just need more Money!

Honolulu City Council Approves $23 Million To Aid The Homeless

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/06/honolulu-city-council-approves-23-million-to-aid-the-homeless/

rpoL98

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2019, 01:23:32 AM »
They just need more Money!

Honolulu City Council Approves $23 Million To Aid The Homeless

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/06/honolulu-city-council-approves-23-million-to-aid-the-homeless/
that's $23 million of our taxpayer money down the drain.  just like that, gone.

stangzilla

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2019, 07:35:38 AM »
I drive by old stadium at least 3 times every week. It's really bad
1 day I decided to use the public restroom in there. Walking in that park is sketchy. Weird looking people in there. I mean weird in that I felt like I had to keep an eye on them. Got a bad vibe in there

After they spend all that money fixing it up, the homeless will have a nice clean park to screw up again. Woohoo!  :geekdanc:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2019, 07:51:08 PM »
Maybe Hawaii should study how California cities are dealing with the homeless.....


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Hanabata

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2019, 11:25:47 AM »
Maybe Hawaii should study how California cities are dealing with the homeless.....


Hawaii politicians and lawmakers will look at this video and say, "Ha! We can outdo California...  Hold my beer."

oldfart

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 11:37:32 AM »
I wonder if the numbers will drop now that Katherine Kealoha and her drug-dealing brother, the doctor, are off the streets?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ren

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 04:10:41 PM »
The way I see homelessness is like a race. In a society there are going to be a majority of people who want to be productive members of it. Those people who pursue a productive job(s) to sustain themselves and their families. Some people don't want to be part of their race or just give up and end up living on the fringes of society - thus homelessness is one symptom. Some CHOOSE to escape down that abyss called drug addiction. I read that these homeless want to have a place of their own and are implying that the State give them a "safe space". Is that fair for the rest of us? This safe space isn't free. One comment in that same article is that we give them an inch and later they'll want miles. What next free smartphones, internet, air conditioning, food, health insurance?...all that stuff costs the working people.
What the State needs to prioritize is growing the economy beyond tourism and govt. spending - not catering to those that live on the fringes of our society. After all, the rest of us chose to be productive despite the challenges we face.
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rpoL98

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2019, 08:04:54 PM »
so in Commiefornia, they're going to give free health care to all the illegals, and idiots like Rashida Tlaib want to give away our taxpayer dollars to low income folks for doing nothing, not to mention Stockton CA doing Universal Basic Income (free money for doing nothing) for low income, unemployed.  I read that NJ wants to do the same...

if they want to keep up with these loser-ideas, Hawaii democrats need to up their game somewhat.  Right now they're only posting "rookie numbers".

ren

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2019, 03:13:12 PM »
with unemployment at a low you'd think that some of these homeless would be offered jobs but I think that our State's "benefits" outweigh meaningful employment.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: homeless drug problem = lack of treatment
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2019, 09:25:46 PM »
I call lack of treatment a cover.  More like lack of motivation and being a dumbass.

Everyone knows meth,crack, etc... are bad and very addicting.  But yet they choose to do it.  I don't care what problems someone has, to do drugs like that isn't going to make things any better.  Crackhead OD's, I say fuck em, 1 less on the street.  I just wish more would OD and the problem will solve itself.  That's why dealers in Hawaii made their drugs weaker.  Notice how crackheads here don't have as much sores and scratching as much compared to the mainland?  Hawaii has a smaller market and they kept dying.  So basically the drugs here are shit.

Went to Vegas last year and saw a good amount of crackheads with sores and the itch.  Not so much here.  They just get the crackhead walk.

I wouldn't equate your average crack or meth addict to the opioid issue though since a lot of the people currently addicted to opioids started on legally prescribed pain killers. So for some a lack of treatment may be playing a role, but there definitely appears to be a certain significant percent of the population who are druggies because they choose to be, not because treatment programs don't exist.