Iran Downs US Drone (Read 9136 times)

drck1000

Iran Downs US Drone
« on: June 20, 2019, 01:50:26 PM »
Situation Room briefing on Iran crisis concludes, as McConnell says 'measured' response is coming

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Top administration officials and lawmakers have left the White House after a more than hourlong classified briefing about Iran's sudden downing of an American surveillance drone in the Middle East -- and a "measured" U.S. response, they suggested, is likely coming soon.

Amid mounting tension between the U.S. and Iran, the White House earlier Thursday invited House and Senate leaders and Democrats and Republicans on the House and Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees to meet with President Trump in the White House's secure Situation Room.

Others who arrived for the meeting included CIA Director Gina Haspel, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan and Army Secretary Mark Esper, whom Trump has said he'll nominate as defense secretary.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/situation-room-briefing-on-iran-crisis-concludes-as-mcconnell-says-measured-response-coming

Then everyone has to get their $0.02 in. . .

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Speaking to reporters, Pelosi said she was also convinced that U.S. intelligence was correct in its assessment that the drone was in international airspace when it was shot down. But, Pelosi added, the Trump administration legally would need to obtain Congress' approval before taking military action.

"We make it very clear that to get involved in any military activities, we must have a new Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF)," Pelosi cautioned.

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Some Democrats, for their part, blamed Trump for the episode. Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden said that Trump has made military conflict with Iran more likely, and that "another war in the Middle East is the last thing we need."

Yup.  It was Trump's fault for trying to protect international shipping lanes.

I've worked on a bunch of projects for the Global Hawk, both AF and Navy versions.  They are pretty amazing, both capability and system in general. 

robtmc

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 01:55:41 PM »
Had the impression most of those drones were somewhat stealth.  Surprised the Iranians could target it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 02:05:15 PM »
Had the impression most of those drones were somewhat stealth.  Surprised the Iranians could target it.

The drone that was hit is not stealth at all.  That implies the Iranians knew the drone was in international airspace.

RQ-4A Global Hawk High-Altitude, Long, Endurance (HALE) Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS)


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »
Now, if the Iranians has the balls to fly something for target practice, but they will not.

drck1000

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 02:15:48 PM »
Had the impression most of those drones were somewhat stealth.  Surprised the Iranians could target it.
Nothing stealth about it.  Essentially a jet powered glider.  Well, with an a$$ ton of electronics.

drck1000

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 02:17:37 PM »
Iranians must have been watching too many movies. Have seen a a bunch of movies that showed the Global Hawk with armament.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2019, 02:17:55 PM »
Nothing stealth about it.  Essentially a jet powered glider.  Well, with an a$$ ton of electronics.

It's an unmanned replacement for the U-2 mission-wise.  High-altitude keeps it relatively safe.  I'd be interested to know at what altitude it was hit. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2019, 02:42:01 PM »
Maybe this was to set Iran up?  The fact that they were able to shoot down this drone off their coast would imply that any electronic jamming equipment was either broken or removed from the drone.  Which would make it an easy target.

So a rubbish drone set up to be shot down maybe?  #tinfoil  #yeseverythingistinfoil

Like how Japans intel says it wasn't the Iranians who torpedod their ship.  And when was the last time Japan lied about anything or had to cover stuff up?

drck1000

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2019, 02:53:55 PM »
Maybe this was to set Iran up?  The fact that they were able to shoot down this drone off their coast would imply that any electronic jamming equipment was either broken or removed from the drone.  Which would make it an easy target.

So a rubbish drone set up to be shot down maybe?  #tinfoil  #yeseverythingistinfoil

Like how Japans intel says it wasn't the Iranians who torpedod their ship.  And when was the last time Japan lied about anything or had to cover stuff up?
Reports are that the decloaking capability was malfunctioning.  They didn't keep up their payments to the Klingons. . .

Mr. Farknocker

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2019, 02:56:23 PM »
Not sure what the heck Pelosi is talking about.  An AUMF is passed by congress pursuant to the War Powers Act. The WPA requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The WPA doesn't prohibit the President from committing armed forces to military action; it simply limits the duration of the commitment. If the commitment is longer, an AUMF is needed. For example, an AUMF was passed in 2001  giving the President the right to commit forces to pursue the perpetrators of the 9/11/01 attack. 

Mr. Farknocker

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2019, 03:02:41 PM »
I'm considering two possible scenarios for the WH's position. 1) Trump's is trying to build international consensus. He's telling Iran, "The first one is on me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it "a mistake".  The next one will be on you."; and 2) The friggen' drone really was in Iran's airspace and shouldn't have been there."

macsak

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2019, 03:08:53 PM »
if they had simply gone to Costco and bought a bunch of tinfoil, the Iranians wouldn't have been able to shoot it down

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2019, 04:40:26 PM »
Trump ought to demand replacement cost for the drone plus other indirect expenses, like fuel and transportation costs to deliver the replacement.

Terms: payable in US dollars 10 days from receipt of demand, or forfeit an equivalent value of military assets to be used as target practice. 

BOOM, BABY!!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2019, 09:23:32 AM »
Iranian defense ministor or some title executed... clinton playbook, well sort off because he didnt commit suicide.

Dems want a war so they can funnel money to themselves. Trump knows this.

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Mdotweber

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2019, 09:47:57 AM »
i have not had a chance to look into it further so take it with a grain of salt. Story links a video of Chuck and  Nancy supposedly doing their TD dances after situation room meeting.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/video-democrat-leaders-pelosi-and-schumer-caught-on-camera-doing-victory-dance-after-they-thought-they-goaded-trump-into-war-with-iran/
« Last Edit: June 22, 2019, 10:07:38 AM by Mdotweber »
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2019, 09:50:42 AM »
Iranian defense ministor or some title executed... clinton playbook, well sort off because he didnt commit suicide.

Dems want a war so they can funnel money to themselves. Trump knows this.

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Dems want a war because they see that as an alternative to impeachment.  Trump would lose in 2020 if we go to war with Iran before the election.

The same people who thought the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal was a win under Obama now believe we should attack them.  Unhinged.

Iran was already breaking the deal when Trump pulled the US out of it.  BTW, the deal is still in place with European countries.

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Until now, despite the difficulties facing the JCPOA, mounting US pressure, and recent strains on relations with Iran,
European governments and the EU have continued to engage with Tehran. Europe’s strong political commitment to
the nuclear deal, not least through its promise to create a special purpose vehicle (SPV) designed to facilitate trade
with Iran, is one of the key factors in the country’s adherence to the JCPOA.

Given the severity of the latest US secondary sanctions, Iran is likely to only continue complying with the nuclear deal
if Europe, China, and Russia provide it with far more tangible reasons for doing so. There are growing signs that Iran’s
patience will not last forever, especially given that its oil sales, a critical source of revenue for the country, have
reportedly fallen by almost 60 percent since the US reimposed its sanctions.

In my view, Trump pulling the US out of the deal and tightening sanctions incentivizes Iran to play nicer with our allies, since they are willing to increase trade there.  If the US remained in the deal, there would be no pressure for Iran to do anything.  They would perceive that as a victory for their country -- no sanctions, increased economic trade and no real, enforceable nuclear development program.

The drop in oil prices has to be hitting them hard, which explains why they are attacking tankers. 

https://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_why_iran_nuclear_deal_still_matters_for_europe_jcpoa
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Mdotweber

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 07:19:02 PM »
i have not had a chance to look into it further so take it with a grain of salt. Story links a video of Chuck and  Nancy supposedly doing their TD dances after situation room meeting.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/video-democrat-leaders-pelosi-and-schumer-caught-on-camera-doing-victory-dance-after-they-thought-they-goaded-trump-into-war-with-iran/


Chuck Schumers reasoning for the dance was that he was overjoyed that his mother was release date from the hospital.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

oldfart

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 08:03:04 PM »
if they had simply gone to Costco and bought a bunch of tinfoil, the Iranians wouldn't have been able to shoot it down
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Tinfoil doesn't go on sale at Costco until next week....need to get some
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: Iran Downs US Drone
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 09:51:43 PM »
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Tinfoil doesn't go on sale at Costco until next week....need to get some
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drck1000