What Are You Doing To Your Glock? (Read 31240 times)

Inspector

What Are You Doing To Your Glock?
« on: May 17, 2012, 09:00:52 PM »
The Glock is one of the easiest and least expensive handguns to be modded. Most mods don't require a gunsmith to perform. With the help of YouTube videos I have taken my Glock apart using a single punch. I have decided to turn my Glock 17 Gen2 into a project gun.

So far here is what I have done:
1. Added Pachmyr Grip Glove
2. Stainless Steel Recoil Spring Guide Rod and new recoil spring (Stock strength)
3. Lone Wolf 3.5lb Connector
4. Lone Wolf Ultimate Trigger Stop

My trigger pull went from over 6lbs. to 4lb. 10oz. It is still not smooth and sort of crunchy. But having no over travel and being lighter is MUCH nicer than before.

Future Plans In No Particular Order:
1. ZEV Tech Competition Springs
2. Drop In Competition Barrel
3. ZEV Tech Fulcrum Trigger Kit
4. ZEV Tech Magwell Speed Feed
5. Competition Slide Release
6. Competition Mag Release
7. Titanium Pin Kit

So what are you doing (or planning to do) to your Glock?
« Last Edit: June 24, 2012, 05:16:54 PM by Inspector »
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What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 09:17:31 PM »
I bought a spring kit off of eBay it had 6# trigger  a 4,5 and 6# striker spring and a reduced and stock plunger spring. I just shot with different springs untill I got what I liked. Which was a 5# striker 6# trigger and reduced safety plunger. I also put a Lonewolf 3.5 and polished it up. It's super smooooth and crisp. I also put an extended slide stop and a factory mag release from  a G21 fs i think. It went from stock in a weekend. Have fun modding yours

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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 10:09:34 PM »
I really like the Vickers slide stop/release. It's profiled very similar to the M&P.
For gen 1-3 guns, I swap out the mag release for a BFG/Vickers too.

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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 05:31:41 AM »
I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 06:29:41 AM »
I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.
I shoot mine as often as I go to the pistol range. As bad as the trigger is on the Glocks I have learned to shoot it quite well. I shoot it more (and is more of a favorite) than my Sig P228. I have owned it since 1991-1992. I have put a lot of rounds through it. I wore out the return spring. It still locks up nice and tight. It is still about as accurate as it was when I bought it. I decided to mod it for reasons other than competition. I have always wanted to do a project gun and I am not a gunsmith. Most mods I would do to my other guns would more than likely involve paying someone else to do the mods. So I can do the mods myself and since they don't require modification of anything I can always return it to stock form. I basically am just doing it for the fun of it. More of a hobby sort of thing.

I admire the fact that you like yours just the way it is like I do. But there are reasons other than competition for wanting to mod your Glock.   :shaka:
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What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 12:05:25 PM »
I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.

I have a 17 and a 34 that I got recently. I shot the 17 in competitions and will now be using primarily the 34. Mods that I've done are minor.

For the 17, I swapped the slide stop with the extended style stop that comes with the 34 and changed the sights to TNS because I wanted a three dot sight since that is what I'm used to.

For the 34, I only swapped out the sights to Trijicon HD sights with the bright orange ring on the front site post. Only 50 rounds through it so far, but I'm liking it. I won't be able to shoot USPSA (with MPPL) again until July, so it will be a while until I get to run the 34 in competition.

Other than that, I'm planning on leaving the guns the way they came out of the box. I don't mind the triggers and I'd probably mess it up if I tried to tinker with them.

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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 02:29:42 PM »
I was just messin' with ya Inspector. I think it's great to work on your own guns doing your own mods. Good luck.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 05:16:56 PM »
I've pretty much built a Glock with no Glock parts.  I think the only real Glock parts are the extractor and trigger.

Inspector

Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 06:18:18 PM »
I was just messin' with ya Inspector.
I'm a little slow sometimes!  :rofl:

What actually got me to thinking about modifying it happened one day at the range. I was in a zone one day and shot 50 rounds through one target and I would say 40+ of them went into a 4" group and the rest into a 6" group. All slow fire. The guy next to me asked me what I had  and I told him. Then he asked what I had done to modify it. When I told him I had not done anything he asked to look at it since I am sure he didn't believe me. After a quick inspection I offered to let him shoot it which he turned down. Mind you I was shooting cheap Chinese Practice/Plinking Ammo, not my reloads. He let me shoot his heavily modded 1911 which I really enjoyed. So I went home and started looking up Glock mods.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2012, 01:17:55 PM »
I'd love to know how the future mods go and how it shoots after.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 09:37:50 PM »
I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?

Inspector

Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 06:14:15 AM »
I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?
I have been looking through Brownells and Glockworx. Brownells will ship fairly inexpensively. I decided to use Lone Wolf Products because from what most reviews I found they seem to be the best balance of performance and price. Make sure if you get a new recoil spring with a stainless steel rod that you get the standard strength spring. Some places will allow you to order the guide rod with different strength springs. And unless you are shooting lower powered loads you want to keep the standard strength spring.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2012, 10:02:43 AM »
I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?

I don't recommend getting a lighter trigger for your Glock.

As the song goes... "love the one you're with"

The Glock trigger in its stock form can be shot accurately and quickly.

It is made the way it is as a safety precaution.

People that start fiddling with their triggers are circumventing a planned safety feature.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2012, 09:37:58 PM by Kingkeoni »
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 09:08:22 PM »
thanks alot for the help guys, I will definitely take that info into good use. I will just get use to the trigger and check out those web sites. Thanks again!! :thumbsup:

Inspector

Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 06:28:41 AM »
....It is made the way it is as a safety precaution.

People that start fiddling with their triggers are circumventing a planned safety feature.
So KK,

Where are you getting this from? Send me a link please. I Have been through Glock's website and no where do I see a heavier trigger touted as a safety feature or part of the entire list of safety features. Not trying to start an argument but I would like to know what you have read that makes you say this. I know that NY has decided that a heavier then stock trigger is safer than the stock trigger weight. But I don't think that is what you are saying here, right?

I have done nothing more nor different to my trigger than Glock has already done to the model 17L and 34. My trigger pull (and the method I used to obtain it) is no different in weight and no different than the way Glock modified the triggers on the aforementioned models. The only difference is that I didn't use Glock brand parts to get to the same weight. I have not touched nor modified any of the safety features of the gun or trigger.

I want to understand what it is about what I have done to my trigger to make it less safe?
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What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 10:25:51 PM »
Hi Inspector, I have no experience about this but I had read somewhere that a light trigger pull is not safe in the event of home defense situations... something about being careful with letting it go below 5 lbs.

With adrenalin high and walking around in the dark, I hear that one might end up pulling he trigger inadvertently if startled, possibly shooting something or someone unintentionally.

That was the thing I thought about when I first read that comment from KK.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2012, 11:47:21 PM »
Hello Inspector, a simple internet search will net you dozens of articles pertaining to light triggers and negligent discharges.

Here's just one. http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/

I've been shooting competitively since the 80's. I've seen dozens of negligent (inadvertent) discharges. Every single time, it is from a pistol that has had its trigger made lighter by the user.

While that is not the "definitive evidence" you may require, I know first hand that the lighter a trigger gets, the greater the chance of an ND.

Bear in mind that the 17L and 34 are NOT designed as home defense firearms. They were specifically made to compete in pistol competitions where the shooters attempt to shave milliseconds by lightening their triggers.

As far as "less safe", until you've experienced a light trigger ND, you'll not know the difference. Almost like the driver of a "Pinto" won't know he's in a death trap until he's been in a 50mph accident
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 01:11:32 PM »
Hello Inspector, a simple internet search will net you dozens of articles pertaining to light triggers and negligent discharges.

Here's just one. http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/

I've been shooting competitively since the 80's. I've seen dozens of negligent (inadvertent) discharges. Every single time, it is from a pistol that has had its trigger made lighter by the user.

While that is not the "definitive evidence" you may require, I know first hand that the lighter a trigger gets, the greater the chance of an ND.

Bear in mind that the 17L and 34 are NOT designed as home defense firearms. They were specifically made to compete in pistol competitions where the shooters attempt to shave milliseconds by lightening their triggers.

As far as "less safe", until you've experienced a light trigger ND, you'll not know the difference. Almost like the driver of a "Pinto" won't know he's in a death trap until he's been in a 50mph accident
Hey KK,

You know its funny you used this article as an example because it really doesn't back up what you are trying to say against the facts here. Let me explain.

First I want to say that I totally agree with you about lightening a trigger can increase the possibility of ND. I have not and will not disagree with you about this. But there facts here which you are making assumptions about that don't really apply. First your article says ">As a general rule a serious use pistol should have a trigger no lighter than 4 pounds and ideally no more than 6 pounds." And then it goes on to say "A perfect example would be a Glock 17 with a factory stock trigger that weighs approx 5 pounds....." My factory stock trigger was closer to 6 pounds and the Glock 34 and 17L are closer to 5 pounds. So even the Glock Competition Guns have an acceptable trigger for self defense according to the article you provided. If you read what I have done is lowered the pull to 4lbs 10oz. It is certainly not a light trigger by any stretch of the imagination. And certainly within the realm of being okay for self defense according to this article that you provided. But let's dive further into this article. It also says "In addition a trigger below 4 lbs can easily lead to accidental discharges under conditions of stress." You say one thing but the article you provided seems to say something else. There are numerous guns on the market that come stock with a 5 pound or less trigger. So I am not sure how all this applies?

The reason I am not sure how all this applies is because I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) you are assuming I intend to use this pistol for self defense. At least that what I am getting from your writing and the article you referred here. If you read what I have written about my Glock 17 you will know this is nothing more than a project for me. I never said I intend to use this pistol for self defense. I am not so stupid that I would rely on a project or competition type pistol for self defense purposes. So please do not make this assumption. This particular pistol will always be used as a slow fire practice pistol at the range 5 rounds at a time. And if I ever decide to do anything else with it I will put back to stock because I agree with your concerns about ND.

I respect your decision to keep your Glock trigger stock. That is your decision to make for your own situation. And I appreciate your concern over lightening a trigger increases the chance of ND. I guess I am not understanding what the big deal here is considering the facts? Let's face it, my trigger is not light by anyone's standards. I still have to pull the trigger to fully cock the striker since it is only half cocked before the trigger pull. In other words it is not like I can just brush the trigger with my finger or something and have the gun go off. I have to deliberately pull the trigger all the way to make it go off. The weight of the trigger is within an acceptable range even for self defense according to the article you provided. The gun will never be used for SD and will only be slow fired. Chances are that any ND that may occur with my Glock 17 would occur whether the trigger has been lightened or not. The ND is on me and my negligence, not the glock trigger weight. In the case of the Glock a ND is much harder to occur due to the safe action trigger. A ND has to occur by pulling that trigger and cocking the striker the rest of the way. Not a brush or even a slight squeeze. If you were talking about a revolver or SA gun of some sort with a 2 or 3 pound trigger I would certainly understand your concern.

Just so you know my SD gun is a non modified Ruger Security Six Revolver in Stainless Steel. I even kept the factory rubber grips on it.
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Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 08:15:46 PM »
I was thinking about a 3.5 lb connecter as well. 4.5 pull sounds perfect. Thx for posting this topic.

Kingkeoni

Re: What Are You Doing To YOur Glock?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2012, 12:55:35 AM »
Ultimately, it's your gun. Do whatever you want with it.

The reality is that practice makes perfect.

If you can't make a basket, practice, don't lower the basket.

If you can't pass a test, study, don't lower the standard.

 If you don't shoot a Glock well. Practice, don't lower the trigger weight.

For me, when it comes to guns, I refuse to do anything that compromises safety.

If your gun has a 4.5lb trigger pull, that's actually not bad. If you, like a lot of people, have a sub 3lb trigger pull, you're (in my opinion) compromising safety.

As far as nitpicking the random article I posted, I could easily post 100 articles about how extremely light triggers contribute to ND's but I don't have the desire to waste my time researching something I already know.
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