Hawaii was illegally overthrow but that's just real life.  Since the prehistoric rise of.humans it's been survival of the fittest.  Man vs man, village vs village, tribe vs tribe, nation vs nation.  Every race of people has been conquered multiple times by insiders and outsiders.  That's just how history is and people evolve each time and advance to where we are now.

Just like the same reason Iraq was not absorbed into the US after its invasion by the US in 2003 and made the 51st state, it is the same argument why Hawaii is not an official part of the US.  THERE IS NO TREATY OF ANNEXATION BETWEEN HAWAII AND THE US.  This is why it is legally accurate to describe America's presence in Hawaii today, as an illegal occupation.

There was no way in hell the people of Iraq would sign a treaty of annexation to become part of America.  Similarly, the reason the US Government continually attempts to get Hawaiians to accent to being a nation within the nation as recent in the US Department of Interior hearings a few years ago was a recent way to address their illegal occupation of Hawaii.

The US federal govenrment knows they are in the wrong.

Just like the same reason Iraq was not absorbed into the US after its invasion by the US in 2003 and made the 51st state, it is the same argument why Hawaii is not an official part of the US.  THERE IS NO TREATY OF ANNEXATION BETWEEN HAWAII AND THE US.  This is why it is legally accurate to describe America's presence in Hawaii today, as an illegal occupation.

There was no way in hell the people of Iraq would sign a treaty of annexation to become part of America.  Similarly, the reason the US Government continually attempts to get Hawaiians to accent to being a nation within the nation as recent in the US Department of Interior hearings a few years ago was a recent way to address their illegal occupation of Hawaii.

The US federal govenrment knows they are in the wrong.

I too don't ID as Hawaiian.  But if a chick with a dick can ID as female, then I guess my Japanese/Okinawan ass can ID as Hawaiian also.  Homestead application, here I come.

My friend is Hawaiian, but on his birth cert it says Native American only.  His dad was super drunk when his mom was giving birth.  And when the nurse asked what he is, he said Native American.  He's the only child of 3 who didn't go to Kamehameha.  I guess in the 80's they just took your word for it.

Something is truly off with that guy...

What a racist jerk off. He has no concept of the merits of a position and instead clearly judges the position by only who holds it.

By that standard what takeover is ever legal?

Kamehameha's takeover of all the islands was illegal
Americas take over of Texas was illegal
The take over of Hong Kong was illegal
etc etc etc

Yes it was illegal but it happened and is done. No one left to arrest or sue. If we are going to track back hundreds of years to every takeover in history we wouldn't have any nations in existence.

you are a racist

Obviously, you are not a US Constitutionalist or aware of what it states.  The US Constitution has rules governing the acquisition of foreign recognized territories.

From the original 13 colonies till the present, the US has followed its Constitution in its acquisition of foreign territories.  For most of its territorial expansion, it has either signed treaties of annexation like in the case of the Louisiana Purchase with France or in the territories once controlled by Mexico in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.  Only in the cases of Hawaii and, I believe, Texas that the US has taken territory from recognized sovereign states that violates its Constitution.  As for lands once roamed by the Native American Indians, those tribal nations had no recognized legal territorial boundaries; hence, could not themselves identify geographically where their territory was.  Consequently, those tribal peoples could not counterargue the taking of lands by the US they once roamed.


I said earlier; because the US has no treaty of annexation with Hawaii, its presence is an illegal occupation.

The US did have treaties with many tribes, treaties they later broke and moved native americans to other locations. Some of the treaties actually say that Native Americans are supposed to own chunks of land that are currently large cities.

You still don't understand.

Those Indian tribes never themselves established their own borders even when the US were making treaties with them.  I doubt any of those Indian tribes had maps of the territories they roamed.  Hawaii was an internationally recognized sovereign state.  Hence, the US is obliged to follow international law as well as its own US Constitutional law if it desired to acquire Hawaii as one of its territories.  The US has not followed its own Constitutional law in its take over of Hawaii.

THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLAIONS OF THE US CONSTITUTION!


I absolutely maintain that the takeover was illegal and unjust when it happened but be realistic. Its not like its something we can really undo. Thats why the argument about it being illegal is a moot point. We can say it was an illegal overthrow and that anything stemming from that is not legitimate but for all intents and purposes we are part of the United States. We can't replay the Super Bowl because a bad violation call made early in the season.

If Hawaii wants to secede then fine, bring it up for a vote and fight for it, but acting as if the illegal takeover invalidates everything is a pipe dream that isn't going to get us anywhere.

Once again, you are using the wrong legal terminology.  If the US is illegally occupying a foreign territory, there is no voting or secession, but deoccupation that needs to take place.

This shit is getting hilarious! 

Some trusted authorities make a persistent case that the U.S. annexation of Hawaii had no
legal basis. This writer calls that narrative counterfactual.


The argument that there was no annexation treaty misses the math. Hawaii’s government, which
controlled the territory and was recognized by the same states that recognized the Kingdom of
Hawaii, agreed to the terms of the treaty. Similarly, the Senate voted by a two-thirds majority to
annex Hawaii under the same terms that Hawaii agreed to be annexed. Those are the only conditions
for a valid treaty: an agreement between the United States and a foreign state that the Senate ratifies
by a two-thirds vote.

"I doubt any of those Indian tribes had maps of the territories they roamed."

that's racist

seen on the news this morning, the protesters are the ones directing traffic at the intersection
wearing the reflective vests, waving stop signs, looks official