Never said Hawaiians had an exclusive claim to being racists.

I've seen locals working at a Waikiki fast food place standing around talking story and giving me no attention.  I was the only customer in the place.  I had to ask, "Are you open for business?" before anyone asked what I wanted to order.

At the time, being new to Hawaii, I thought it was just bad attitude or crappy minimum wage employees.  Now, it's my opinion the problem was much more .... problematic.

Sometimes the behavior is too subtle to pick up on, mainly because they don't want to get fired I'd imagine. 

It's difficult to assign motives to behaviors, especially when the other person is a complete stranger.  So, I give everyone the benefit of the doubt at least once.  After I get to know them or spot a pattern, that benefit is no longer theirs.

Mahalo for your clarification.

So, you openly believe Hawaiians and non-Hawaiian locals alike living in Hawaii are all racists.

GOT IT!

We’re they millennials? (Kidding)

I can see what you mean, but I’ve seen crappy service all around, everywhere. But if you see a pattern, then maybe different.

Maybe I’m not sensitive, oblivious, or completely fawkin’ clueless (probably last), but I haven’t really noticed the service one.

Was in northern Louisiana on a work trip with my coworker, who is a tall Chinese guy. No Asians since maybe an hour since leaving Houston. Anyways, we go to a Mexican restaurant our first night and another coworker joins us. He’s a haole from CA and works in CA (but married to local girl). Service was actually pretty good to me. Food and beers came quickly. After we’re done, we’re driving back to the hotel and they both were like “were we getting discriminated against?” And they both agreed. I hadn’t noticed anything. When we got there the host said no seats, but we could sit at the bar. Apparently, they noticed that when we were done, an area of floor seating that was empty when we got there was full of locals. I didn’t really notice, but I assumed an area opened up once they got staff for that area. Maybe they didn’t want to serve “our kind”. Dunno.

On the drive back to TX, we stop at a Whataburger and eat there. My coworker and I get our food and we’re eating. He keeps commenting on how we’re the only Asians in there and the locals (mostly white folks) are looking at us funny. Didn’t notice. The service was excellent though. And my coworker went to U Texas in Austin, so while I thought he may be used to that, maybe it made him more sensitive. 🤷‍♂️

Take a good look at how many Hawaiian national flags are being flown on vehicles, houses, and office windows these days; there are many here and on the continental US.  Moreover, those who are flying the colors brightly are not kapunas, but the youth and younger adults who know the truth and, along with us older folk, working to restore our nation on all fronts.

or they are doing what's trendy. like low pants or straight billed baseball caps...

Only time will tell, but you can be sure educating and reminding the population of the truth about the illegal occupation of Hawaii by the US will never cease.

or they are doing what's trendy. like low pants or straight billed baseball caps...

That is true because the “illegal occupation” of Hawaii by the US will indeed, never cease.  Yet many believe preventing a telescope from being built will somehow help their cause.

Been my impression all along.

You can keep arguing about an illegal occupation while you enjoy many of the freedoms the USA affords you.
You can argue about what could have been if there was a Hawaiian Kingdom but that is unknown and will forever be unknown while the freedoms you enjoy now are clearly defined.

This is not because the Americans did it for the benefit for Hawaiians, but they could not do otherwise based on their own domestic laws.



You can't argue that a hypothetical Hawaiian Kingdom will give you this or that right. No one will ever know because this social movement has been stuck on the second phase for decades and the cause is fractured beyond that phase.

It has been stuck for decades because the actual legal history of the annexation of Hawaii was not clearly understood until the last 20 years or so.  As it can be seen now, many Hawaiians are using the correct legal vocabulary when discussing the legal status between Hawaii and the US.



Too many people who claim to be of royalty and many factions of the Hawaiian Kingdom. The waving of flags around the world is a symptom of the spread of social media; as I stated earlier designed to invoke emotion but not critical thought.

Apparently, you have not engaged in critical discussion with educated Hawaiians regarding this issue.



So now what? You got flags waving and so-called biased education - mostly from agents of Hawaiian chapter schools (whom receive their grants from the State). You have funds that are being diverted from the cause of the mauna to personal "interests" - so corruption is not only with the State as many claim. Then you have the many businesses, organizations and people-branding that are coat-tailing off this convoluted cause to promote their brand.

I have stated on this thread on at least one occasion that there a number of fake protestors on Mauna Kea just looking for personal gain.



I never saw the State flag with a tiki on it (hmmm... desecration?), mind as well have the Town and Country symbol on it as well. Take a few steps back and it's a circus with no theme.

Just some Hawaiian trying to be creative; no different from the Gadsden Flag used by the American colonists in their fight for freedom from the British.



And what about the Walmart on the Big Island? Lots of protests before it got built from Hawaiian homelands. But now everyone seems to shop at it. Where's the steadfast protests of "colonialism"? "Imperialism"?

Please do not confuse the concepts of colonialism and imperialism with that of capitalism.  Hawaiians like to buy things too.




From what I remember from mandatory Hawaiian studies in public school (isn't that something?) was that Hawaiians were explorers of the stars and the future. http://www.maunakeaandtmt.org/get-the-facts-ads/

That is only one of the few things your Hawaiian history classes got right.  I bet they did not talk in-depth in regards to the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom nor its illegal annexation by the US.



"Chad Kalepa Baybayan, captain and navigator of the Hawaiian voyaging canoes Hokulea, Hawaiiloa and Hokualakai – testified earlier this month at the contested case hearings in support of the TMT project. Baybayan said the Thirty Meter Telescope and the astronomers of today are a natural extension of the ancient Hawaiians who studied the stars while navigating across the Pacific Ocean."

They had leaders who were visionaries. The telescope would surely fit into their vision. From what I see from those that are anti (everything) they lack the vision the Hawaiian leaders had and I can see why they are "commoners". Keep the country, country. Resist any sort of change. That will be the legacy of no progress and people who will always be angry at something.  https://www.instagram.com/kapu_aloha_ole/?igshid=r91f88lex2gu

I'll repost this again, someone with a clear vision for the future: https://hanahou.com/22.2/the-kahuna-of-mookini

“I believe totally in getting the new telescope built on Mauna Kea,” she says. “Our ancestors studied the heavens. Now a new generation of Hawaiians can have the opportunity to advance what they discovered. A telescope that can accomplish this maintains the sacredness of the mountain. With this and in other ways, we need to be open to the future to carry us forward to the many tomorrows yet to come.”


All true, as telescopes are indeed nice, but the wrong people are making the decisions on Mauna Kea.

Don't know why you use that tactic of quoting someone then writing your response in that quote.
As you can see, I quoted the sources of my info and they are educated Hawaiians. I have also spoken to educated Hawaiians and the arguments I presented were formulated from their responses as well.
So how does a scientific project differ from a capitalist project in terms of imperialism and colonialism? Hawaiians are avid consumers like most Americans. So they love Walmart. There are over 11,000 Walmart stores. But don't you dare put one international telescope up there! It's sacred. Forget about the noble discoveries it could possible make - let's buy more stuff!

I have said more than one occasion on this thread; telescopes are wonderful in the furthering of human discovery.

However, Hawaiians are tired of being ignored and overruled every time they oppose something the so-called state decides to do.  The protestors you see on the street are opposed to TMT, but are also out there protesting the illegal occupation of Hawaii as well.  That's why you have been seeing a higher number of Hawaiian national flags flown in distress on so many vehicles, homes, and office windows.

You can keep arguing about an illegal occupation while you enjoy many of the freedoms the USA affords you.
You can argue about what could have been if there was a Hawaiian Kingdom but that is unknown and will forever be unknown while the freedoms you enjoy now are clearly defined.
You can't argue that a hypothetical Hawaiian Kingdom will give you this or that right. No one will ever know because this social movement has been stuck on the second phase for decades and the cause is fractured beyond that phase. Too many people who claim to be of royalty and many factions of the Hawaiian Kingdom. The waving of flags around the world is a symptom of the spread of social media; as I stated earlier designed to invoke emotion but not critical thought.

Distress. Having a Walmart on Hawaiian homelands and a continuous flux of Hawaiian shoppers is not a sign of distress. The ability and right of the people to fly a flag of what ever they choose is not a sign of distress nor oppression. It's amazing that Amazon has over 7 pages of Hawaiian themed flags https://www.amazon.com/s?k=hawaiian+flag&ref=nb_sb_noss_2  Hmmm....I wonder how many "likes" and "followers" I would get if I put some flags on my lifted Toyota Tacoma?

This is a nation in distress:


and this is a nation in distress on the REAL
https://www.history.com/topics/africa/rwandan-genocide

A nation with safe McDonalds to eat at, safe Walmarts to shop at and the freedom and ability to drive in a nice truck for a convoy is NOT a nation in distress.

So the State is not listening to you - Did you vote? Did you and others vote these leaders out of office? Is there a convoy to impeach anyone? Or to support any candidate that would further the movement?

Once more, if you bother to check the socio-economic statistics with respect to the population living on the islands, you will find Hawaiians ranked at or near the bottom on most of those categories.

Freedoms and prosperity enjoyed over the decades. What if’s? What if Japan had bombed the fuel tanks in their initial raid? Hawaii would very much be a different place after years of brutal occupation. Going back to WWII history, the Japanese weren’t understanding occupiers. Asked those in Manchuria.

Certain freedoms yes, but prosperity definitely NO.  Hawaiians rank at or near the bottom of most socio-economic metrics conducted by both government and NGOs.  The bottom line is no people wants to be taken over by another country illegally.  And Hawaiians want their nation back; it is that simple.



The social media and trendiness is also something I agree with and have mentioned before. A sign of the “awoke youth” latching onto what elders and authority figures say. Some based on reason and logic, but also some living a state of delusion.

True; there are a number of cult-like megalomaniacs running around in the Hawaiian communities claiming to be the next messiah.  However, most of them have been discredited by most Hawaiians today.

 

The same broken record being spun round and round...

That was maybe 20 years ago, but the record has been repaired and the song now being played is in perfect harmony.