Hard to believe that someone would get their guns consfiscated under a red flag law?

I am sure the HPD and it's tool here fully endorse red flag "pre-crime" tactics.

Hard to believe that someone would get their guns consfiscated under a red flag law?

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Hard to believe anyone would confiscate guns over a meme about a star wars character doing a dance. Do you find that plausible?

Hard to believe anyone would confiscate guns over a meme about a star wars character doing a dance. Do you find that plausible?

Are you disputing the facts as reported by multiple news outlets?

If so, please cite the sources for the facts you're basing that opinion on.

Hard to believe anyone would confiscate guns over a meme about a star wars character doing a dance. Do you find that plausible?

You have to much trust in your employeer.

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You have to much trust in your employeer.

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He hasn't been paying attention to our posts.  Once the red flag laws are in place, who's to stop them from including anything they want as "red flags?"

@14:08 she defines an act of violence as misidentifying a person's gender

This is supposedly the meme (or one of the memes?) that resulted in the "investigation" that led to his arrest and incarceration pending his (bail) hearing on September 6:



Here's more from the article at https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/sharing-memes-man-ends-up-red-flagged/

SHARING MEMES – MAN ENDS UP RED FLAGGED

“Boogaloo” – a slang term for shit-hits-the-fan, or government gone bad and they’re coming for you, time to fight back. Boogaloo toys refers to guns. The opposite of “bugging out.”

“Alphabet bois” – ATF, FBI, DEA, etc.

“Coat hanger sears” – hand-crafted drop-in auto sears for an AR.

Wagshol has been banned from the campus of the college he was attending. The media is calling this a ‘mass murder plot foiled.’ But was it really? A Boogaloo meme is not about mass murder, it’s about defending yourself from the government.

Instagram has blacklisted any reference to the word “boogaloo.” Big Tech appears to feel that such memes are dangerous and need to be banned.

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I'm not claiming the guy is NOT mentally unstable and likely to commit violence, only that the apparent evidence of that is minimal (or possibly laughable). Only a team of "objective" (haha) "mental health professionals" might be able to determine that. But until then, posting such memes as above would seem to be the oft-laughed-at and ridiculed (by leftist socialist civilian disarmament advocates) "slippery slope" in action.

This is supposedly the meme (or one of the memes?) that resulted in the "investigation" that led to his arrest and incarceration pending his (bail) hearing on September 6:



Here's more from the article at https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/sharing-memes-man-ends-up-red-flagged/

SHARING MEMES – MAN ENDS UP RED FLAGGED

“Boogaloo” – a slang term for shit-hits-the-fan, or government gone bad and they’re coming for you, time to fight back. Boogaloo toys refers to guns. The opposite of “bugging out.”

“Alphabet bois” – ATF, FBI, DEA, etc.

“Coat hanger sears” – hand-crafted drop-in auto sears for an AR.

Wagshol has been banned from the campus of the college he was attending. The media is calling this a ‘mass murder plot foiled.’ But was it really? A Boogaloo meme is not about mass murder, it’s about defending yourself from the government.

Instagram has blacklisted any reference to the word “boogaloo.” Big Tech appears to feel that such memes are dangerous and need to be banned.

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I'm not claiming the guy is NOT mentally unstable and likely to commit violence, only that the apparent evidence of that is minimal (or possibly laughable). Only a team of "objective" (haha) "mental health professionals" might be able to determine that. But until then, posting such memes as above would seem to be the oft-laughed-at and ridiculed (by leftist socialist civilian disarmament advocates) "slippery slope" in action.

What the Pho?!
Back in the day when I heard Boogaloo I thought of the guy that put Michael Jackson on the map with his poppin and lockin



so what does this website mean?
https://www.boogalooshrimp.com/

Another example of the slippery slope?

Why wouldn't they release the actual language of this "threatening language"? They don't want any copycats, or reveal exactly where they draw the line so as to not allow people to skirt the limits (like social media platforms claim for not revealing the specifics of what constitutes a "punishable" offense)? Or what? Again, maybe this guy IS dangerous and needs to be incarcerated, but not revealing what he actually did... that seems sketchy to me. But I'm not a fan of the police state, so I kinda have that response to cops not revealing why they do stuff ("their body cameras and the car camera inexplicably did not record the incident", etc.).

Hotel guest arrested for negative review that allegedly threatened 'active shooter-style' event

A hotel guest seemingly went a little too far while leaving a negative review.

Police officers in Florida reportedly arrested a man who used “threatening language” in a review for a hotel in Cocoa Beach. While the man seems to have had a bad experience while staying at the hotel, getting arrested was probably worse.

McKinney had allegedly written a negative review for the Hilton Cocoa Beach Oceanfront Hotel after a recent stay. According to WFTV 9, authorities claimed that McKinney made a reference to an “active shooter-style” event at the hotel, along with other instances of threatening language.

McKinney has reportedly been charged with making written threats to kill, do bodily injury or conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism.

online identities are iffy. what if someone created an account with your name?

"Reference"

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The problem is and remains, we have idiots in our society.
We don't have the moral strengths to deal with them.
Accept that.  Democrats weaken everyone.
That is the price of "freedom".
What we need, is  to allow is people to be able
to protect themselves using any tool they choose.
Hawaii Democrats are particularly ignorant
of this since they don't trust each other,
much less the "others"

online identities are iffy. what if someone created an account with your name?

LE can subpoena IP address info from ISPs and other sites.  Not difficult to identify that the email was sent from your IP.

People used to using their phones, tablets or home computers to access the Internet aren't thinking about covering their tracks until it's too late.

LE can subpoena IP address info from ISPs and other sites.  Not difficult to identify that the email was sent from your IP.

People used to using their phones, tablets or home computers to access the Internet aren't thinking about covering their tracks until it's too late.

VPNs in another country

this reminds me of a recent purchase at Savers. I found a nice, fairly new soft case for my AR carbine ($7.99). A kid or young adult followed me around the store and asked me what I was going to use it for. I said "put stuff in - you know like a bag (with a duh look)." He said, "Oh really?" and I just walked past him. I didn't do anything criminal nor indicate anything of that sort. Just everyday shopping and treasure hunting at a thrift store. I paid for it and left. This was in Waipahu.

This is supposedly the meme (or one of the memes?) that resulted in the "investigation" that led to his arrest and incarceration pending his (bail) hearing on September 6:



Here's more from the article at https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/sharing-memes-man-ends-up-red-flagged/

SHARING MEMES – MAN ENDS UP RED FLAGGED

“Boogaloo” – a slang term for shit-hits-the-fan, or government gone bad and they’re coming for you, time to fight back. Boogaloo toys refers to guns. The opposite of “bugging out.”

“Alphabet bois” – ATF, FBI, DEA, etc.

“Coat hanger sears” – hand-crafted drop-in auto sears for an AR.

Wagshol has been banned from the campus of the college he was attending. The media is calling this a ‘mass murder plot foiled.’ But was it really? A Boogaloo meme is not about mass murder, it’s about defending yourself from the government.

Instagram has blacklisted any reference to the word “boogaloo.” Big Tech appears to feel that such memes are dangerous and need to be banned.

* * * * *
I'm not claiming the guy is NOT mentally unstable and likely to commit violence, only that the apparent evidence of that is minimal (or possibly laughable). Only a team of "objective" (haha) "mental health professionals" might be able to determine that. But until then, posting such memes as above would seem to be the oft-laughed-at and ridiculed (by leftist socialist civilian disarmament advocates) "slippery slope" in action.

Thanks for the post, that clears it up a bit.

I agree that someone clearly misunderstood what the meme was even about.

This will be an interesting case if the guy fights it. The courts will most likely have to decide whether a red flag arrest/seizure constitutes a search. If the court ordered his arrest then anything found during his arrest would most likely be admitted but if they went beyond just his arrest and searched his whole home he could get it thrown out. If he can make the case that there was never enough evidence to justify police or a judge to seize him then I think they would have to throw everything out. This one will be interesting to watch unfold.

this reminds me of a recent purchase at Savers. I found a nice, fairly new soft case for my AR carbine ($7.99). A kid or young adult followed me around the store and asked me what I was going to use it for. I said "put stuff in - you know like a bag (with a duh look)." He said, "Oh really?" and I just walked past him. I didn't do anything criminal nor indicate anything of that sort. Just everyday shopping and treasure hunting at a thrift store. I paid for it and left. This was in Waipahu.

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So have the police raided your house yet? Clearly you are a danger to Waipahu

Thanks for the post, that clears it up a bit.

I agree that someone clearly misunderstood what the meme was even about.

This will be an interesting case if the guy fights it. The courts will most likely have to decide whether a red flag arrest/seizure constitutes a search. If the court ordered his arrest then anything found during his arrest would most likely be admitted but if they went beyond just his arrest and searched his whole home he could get it thrown out. If he can make the case that there was never enough evidence to justify police or a judge to seize him then I think they would have to throw everything out. This one will be interesting to watch unfold.

He should have never been arrested, nor had his property searched, nor had his property confiscated based on such a flimsy, uncorroborated report.

You act as if the gov't has the right to violate the fundamental rights of someone based on little to no real evidence that a crime is GOING TO BE COMMITTED IN THE FUTURE.

Once the innocent person is in the "system", the financial, social and career damage it causes is irreversible.

Your position that "Well, he can have this evidence thrown out or the courts have to decide if his rights were violated," implies a total disconnect from any inkling of what true liberty means.  Imagine being detained for 3-10 days while the courts decide whether to allow bail or not.  What happens at work?  At home?  With your kids? (I know you don't have any)  What about someone who has no family at home to bail them out?

These are consequences of the state's actions that should not be visited on anyone without DUE PROCESS BEFOREHAND.

He should have never been arrested, nor had his property searched, nor had his property confiscated based on such a flimsy, uncorroborated report.

I agree generally but reserve judgement since I haven't seen the police report so I don't know what else the police knew before taking action.

You act as if the gov't has the right to violate the fundamental rights of someone based on little to no real evidence that a crime is GOING TO BE COMMITTED IN THE FUTURE.

I said nothing of the sort. I said threatening is a crime. If there is evidence of a threat then they don't need to wait for the person to carry out a threat/

Once the innocent person is in the "system", the financial, social and career damage it causes is irreversible.

Not necessarily, he could sue for wrongful arrest.

Your position that "Well, he can have this evidence thrown out or the courts have to decide if his rights were violated," implies a total disconnect from any inkling of what true liberty means.  Imagine being detained for 3-10 days while the courts decide whether to allow bail or not.  What happens at work?  At home?  With your kids? (I know you don't have any)  What about someone who has no family at home to bail them out?

The same thing that happens in all arrest cases. It's not like arresting someone and detaining them for a few days upon probable cause of a crime having been committed is new territory.

So have the police raided your house yet? Clearly you are a danger to Waipahu

You're not serious are you? This is getting redonkulous.