https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-family-worried-finding-military-165419490.html

The reporting and interviews are a huge facepalm.

I see nothing but wooden stocks.  No scary black rifles.  And pretty sure if any of the ordinance were live, they wouldn't just put it on the porch like that.

So far no charges for homeowner.  So why are they confiscating all his guns and ammo?

There's no law against collecting.  In fact, there are special rules to aid in the acquisition of firearms for collectors, such as the C&R FFL-03.

I bet the majority of the rifles were single shot bolt action and any magazines held a small number of rounds.

If he wanted to "start a small-scale war", he's going to be at a major disadvantage when he faces off against modern "weapons of war."

Collectors don't count each firearm equally.  They look at 10 Mosin-Nagants and say, "I have 5 from this arsenal, 2 are sniper rifles with original scopes, bolts and matching numbers, 4 were made before WWII when Russia started mass-producing them, ...." and so on.  It's the history of the rifle that makes it unique and of value to a collector.

His neighbors just see "guns".   

The gun owner is being checked out at a psychiatric ward.  That's all they needed to take his collection away.  EEF should be smiling.  Red Flags in play ...

Neighbor: "The man was strange, he kept to himself."

RED FLAG!!!

I wonder what he was in the ward for.  Was he legit crazy, or are the kids trying to access his pension/retirement/social security?

My friends dad was deemed incompetent because his wife died and she handled all the bills.  He didn't know how to do it, so his power and water where shut off many times.  So finally the kids had to step in and pay the bills.  Can't teach an old dog new tricks. So to access his social security, so they can use that to pay the bills, a judge had to declare him incompetent.  Even though he was totally fine.

That's why I'm glad in the beginning Trump revoked that bill that said these types of people cannot own guns.  And of course the fake news headlines were "Trump gives access to guns to mentally ill people".

The link only came up as one paragraph for me.

Family members helping an elderly couple clean out their home became concerned when they discovered multiple military ordnance items and firearms inside, police said.

What kinda “ordinance”.

If I wasn’t into gun, I wonder what the news might have said about the guns my dad had when he passed. 

The link only came up as one paragraph for me.

What kinda “ordinance”.

If I wasn’t into gun, I wonder what the news might have said about the guns my dad had when he passed. 

Vid shows it.

Focus

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Vid shows it.

Focus

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Ahh, my “non personal laptop” blocked the video.

#govtblockedfocus

Even when I opened on my phone. It was an ad. Almost ignored it.

The video mentioned mortars. There was what looked like a variety of mortars and two bombs. I would hope they were inert bombs if they had moved them from inside the house and laid them out on the ground like that.

FWIW....
Now for the rest of the story, and summarizing it. A couple, one of whom was a Vietnam veteran and collector of military memorabilia, were moving. Family members offered to help. When they arrived, they saw the couple had military memorabilia and got scared. They called police. Police came and arrested the man and sent him for involuntary psychiatric screening. This would have been done with a mental health warrant that the police would have sought based on the family being afraid of them having guns. No threat was needed to get the warrant - just a family member who was afraid of them and knew they had them.

The man was taken involuntarily to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. Police removed all the memorabilia, then determined they were all safe and there was no danger. It is not clear if the man has been released from the hospital or not. Police are (hopefully) still in possession of all his possessions. No word on what actions he will have to take to get them back assuming none go missing.

FWIW....
Now for the rest of the story, and summarizing it. A couple, one of whom was a Vietnam veteran and collector of military memorabilia, were moving. Family members offered to help. When they arrived, they saw the couple had military memorabilia and got scared. They called police. Police came and arrested the man and sent him for involuntary psychiatric screening. This would have been done with a mental health warrant that the police would have sought based on the family being afraid of them having guns. No threat was needed to get the warrant - just a family member who was afraid of them and knew they had them.

The man was taken involuntarily to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation. Police removed all the memorabilia, then determined they were all safe and there was no danger. It is not clear if the man has been released from the hospital or not. Police are (hopefully) still in possession of all his possessions. No word on what actions he will have to take to get them back assuming none go missing.

Same "reason" Walmart "banned" (asks) people not to open carry: "it disturbed some employees and customers". Well, if someone is "disturbed"... by all means the disturbers must be stopped. smh.

Yup, red flag at its finest. No threats made, just someone scared. Like that guy the cops killed in WA because he "looked at his neighbors funny" from inside his own home and he was holstered. Tried to consfiscate using red flag law.

EEF, do u see how its already being abused and we havent even seen the angry baby mama wanting custody. And these are more pro 2a states than HI. These states issue ccws and no places to keep laws.

Most recent the feds had to show up cause local sherriffs told them they wont enforce. The guy who said he will defend himself using deadly force if antifa attacks him.

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Yup, red flag at its finest. No threats made, just someone scared. Like that guy the cops killed in WA because he "looked at his neighbors funny" from inside his own home and he was holstered. Tried to consfiscate using red flag law.

EEF, do u see how its already being abused and we havent even seen the angry baby mama wanting custody. And these are more pro 2a states than HI. These states issue ccws and no places to keep laws.

Most recent the feds had to show up cause local sherriffs told them they wont enforce. The guy who said he will defend himself using deadly force if antifa attacks him.

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You are going to find a lot of abuse using "Red Flag" laws.
Darn,  I'd like to put all Democrats in camps and eliminate them from my life,
but that is not how reality works.
Do your  due diligence and protect your self.
Cops and the government isn't going to help
you.
Aloha.

The problem isn't so much malicious abuse of red flag laws, but those who believe they are being responsible.

No inside knowledge as to the mental fitness, plans to commit violence, or even their fitness to own guns.  They will simply report something that "doesn't look right" or "makes them nervous or afraid," and the authorities will take it from there.

Not everything is as people perceive it.  There's much more risk of false positives than there is of prevented real violence.

As I said before, if you do turn someone in, and they don't commit a mass shooting, how can you ever know you were right?  100 red flags is not proof of intentions;  Only the act is proof, and normally there are not enough flags to stop them -- or we get another Parkland High School where the authorities were all incompetent.

Will this catch anyone, or will it be a warning to anyone planning a violent event to watch their OPSEC, making it that much harder to identify them?

Yup, red flag at its finest. No threats made, just someone scared. Like that guy the cops killed in WA because he "looked at his neighbors funny" from inside his own home and he was holstered. Tried to consfiscate using red flag law.

EEF, do u see how its already being abused and we havent even seen the angry baby mama wanting custody. And these are more pro 2a states than HI. These states issue ccws and no places to keep laws.

Most recent the feds had to show up cause local sherriffs told them they wont enforce. The guy who said he will defend himself using deadly force if antifa attacks him.

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I can see the fear here but there really isn't enough information to make a judgement call. All the news reported was a tip and police coming and finding stuff. I am not going to assume there wasn't something in-between the beginning and the end of the story. There could be a whole lengthy thorough investigation that found something completely justifying everything they did for all we know. I am not going to assume they acted either properly or improperly here.

Your comment that it is being abused assumes there wasn't more to the story.


Now don't think that the potential for abuse escapes me. Though I don't have any bombs, my number of firearms isn't that far beyond what this guy had and some people might describe me as weird as well. a

I can see the fear here but there really isn't enough information to make a judgement call. All the news reported was a tip and police coming and finding stuff. I am not going to assume there wasn't something in-between the beginning and the end of the story. There could be a whole lengthy thorough investigation that found something completely justifying everything they did for all we know. I am not going to assume they acted either properly or improperly here.

Your comment that it is being abused assumes there wasn't more to the story.


Now don't think that the potential for abuse escapes me. Though I don't have any bombs, my number of firearms isn't that far beyond what this guy had and some people might describe me as weird as well. a

some?

some?

Well given the sentiment on this forum I figure I don't have to worry about the "some" on here

The problem with the thoughrough investigstion is that it began by violating his rights.

Why dont they kick in doors they think are drug houses, soley based on a tip and investigate after the warrantless breach minutes after the tip?  Im sure they will find illegal drugs.



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I know what theyre gonna find. 1 nagat will have a scratch on the serial # due to it being a war relic from 1910 and it was damaged in battle.

Report will read, "altered/removed serial #". Boom. Law broken.

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The problem with the thoughrough investigstion is that it began by violating his rights.

You don't know that though. As far as I can tell the news didn't have a detailed report on everything law enforcement did so for all we know everything they did was completely proper and justified under existing law. We simply don't know whether they violated his rights or not yet and I am not going to assume.

You don't know that though. As far as I can tell the news didn't have a detailed report on everything law enforcement did so for all we know everything they did was completely proper and justified under existing law. We simply don't know whether they violated his rights or not yet and I am not going to assume.

We do know, because no new intel has been released.  What we do know, he was not a felon or has a TRO, or a drug user.

So yes, I am assuming, but it's an educated assumption.

But you're right that it was justified under existing law, red flag that is.

We do know, because no new intel has been released. 

Because if cops don't release every part of their investigation tot he media then that must mean there is nothing else right?