Hypothetically if someone, who does not have a pistol permit and does not want to make 3 trips to HPD, goes on vacation to the mainland, and builds an Glock 80%, puts their own serial number on it. Then, upon returning to Hawaii, would said individual be able to go to HPD, within the prescribe time limit, and register the frame without a permit to acquire a handgun?

Absolutely (I'm sure there will be dissent)


A) you didn't purchase a firearm in the state, you brought it in from outside the state. Hawaii has no jurisdiction once you leave its confines. You can build a howitzer and they cannot say anything. And you can bring the howitzer to Hawaii as there is no law or regulation against it. Now finding shells and propellant that's a different story
B) you can do an 80% in state and not get a handgun permit beforehand too. You manufactured a firearm from a hunk of plastic which is a non-regulated item. HRS134-002 is quite clear where it states "acquire ownership". You did not acquire ownership of a firearm. You owned a piece of plastic. You manufactured a firearm. To say otherwise would make Home Depot a firearms dealership. Take some black pipe, a couple of fittings and a nail and presto chango you have a shotgun.
Hypothetically speaking of course...https://www.instructables.com/id/Hardware-Store-12-Gauge-Shotgun/

I know a guy who was told once his 80 was done, he needed his rifle permit to register it.  Good thing he already had on e and it was current.

Compared to bringing any firearm from out of state, no permit is needed.  But must sign up for RAPBACK.

Absolutely (I'm sure there will be dissent)


A) you didn't purchase a firearm in the state, you brought it in from outside the state. Hawaii has no jurisdiction once you leave its confines. You can build a howitzer and they cannot say anything. And you can bring the howitzer to Hawaii as there is no law or regulation against it. Now finding shells and propellant that's a different story
B) you can do an 80% in state and not get a handgun permit beforehand too. You manufactured a firearm from a hunk of plastic which is a non-regulated item. HRS134-002 is quite clear where it states "acquire ownership". You did not acquire ownership of a firearm. You owned a piece of plastic. You manufactured a firearm. To say otherwise would make Home Depot a firearms dealership. Take some black pipe, a couple of fittings and a nail and presto chango you have a shotgun.

Thanks for the input, as far as the howitzer, I am pretty sure that would be a destructive device and fall under the purview of the NFA.... But a muzzle loading cannon would be a different story...

Also, on your second point, I agree with your interpretation of the law as written; I think HPD may have a problem with the law as interpreted. Especially if someone, who does not have a pistol permit just showed up to register a completed 80%, they might not take too kindly to that.

Thanks for the input, as far as the howitzer, I am pretty sure that would be a destructive device and fall under the purview of the NFA.... But a muzzle loading cannon would be a different story...

Also, on your second point, I agree with your interpretation of the law as written; I think HPD may have a problem with the law as interpreted. Especially if someone, who does not have a pistol permit just showed up to register a completed 80%, they might not take too kindly to that.

And that's why you built it on vacation....

You aren't registering an 80% lower that you completed in Hawaii.

You are registering a firearm you already own and are bringing into the state.

Standard out-of-state firearm registration.  As long as it has a serial number and you arrive before the 3pm cut-off for out-of-state registrations, I don't see they have any way to treat it as anything else.

It's not a transfer, so no permit is needed.  Neither do they need to know who the previous owner/seller was.

When filling out the forms, I'd avoid terms like "ghost gun".  But, that's just me. 

Serial number? GFYHRS134

Serial number? GFYHRS134

 

We could have a whole thread on "protest serial numbers!"

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Identifying marks dont have to be a number.....

Since I would be considered a millennial, I demand only emojis, maybe some chinese characters, and arabic script to give a big middle finger to "the man" and all the fascist laws here in the state.

Identifying marks dont have to be a number.....

Since I would be considered a millennial, I demand only emojis, maybe some chinese characters, and arabic script to give a big middle finger to "the man" and all the fascist laws here in the state.

Good luck with that.

When the officer at the window whips out his handy dandy 1970s Craftsman engraver pen and tries to legibly add the permit control number to the receiver, I hope he has better penmanship than every other officer whose reports I've tried to read!!

 

Good luck with that.

When the officer at the window whips out his handy dandy 1970s Craftsman engraver pen and tries to legibly add the permit control number to the receiver, I hope he has better penmanship than every other officer whose reports I've tried to read!!

 

I got one of those.  Craftsman engraver bought in the early 70s.  Still works too and I have very nice printing, according to several people, including my wife.

Identifying marks dont have to be a number.....

Since I would be considered a millennial, I demand only emojis, maybe some chinese characters, and arabic script to give a big middle finger to "the man" and all the fascist laws here in the state.

Get it in Klingon!

I got one of those.  Craftsman engraver bought in the early 70s.  Still works too and I have very nice printing, according to several people, including my wife.

I still have mine, too.  Bought it in the late 70s/early 80s when I read that having something engraved on everything of value you own makes identification of stolen items much easier.

All my Craftsman tools have the last 4 of my SSN etched on them.   

I still have mine, too.  Bought it in the late 70s/early 80s when I read that having something engraved on everything of value you own makes identification of stolen items much easier.

All my Craftsman tools have the last 4 of my SSN etched on them.   

...so whats your address and mothers maiden name?... just curious you know

...so whats your address and mothers maiden name?... just curious you know

8686 Nunya Beeswax Ln
Nacho Beeotch, HI 55555

Mother's maiden name: Rodham   

Absolutely (I'm sure there will be dissent)

B) you can do an 80% in state and not get a handgun permit beforehand too. You manufactured a firearm from a hunk of plastic which is a non-regulated item. HRS134-002 is quite clear where it states "acquire ownership". You did not acquire ownership of a firearm. You owned a piece of plastic. You manufactured a firearm. To say otherwise would make Home Depot a firearms dealership. Take some black pipe, a couple of fittings and a nail and presto chango you have a shotgun.
Hypothetically speaking of course...https://www.instructables.com/id/Hardware-Store-12-Gauge-Shotgun/

HPD could interpret the HRS to include manufacturing a firearm.

 §134-2  Permits to acquire.  (a)  No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business o

I know a guy who was told once his 80 was done, he needed his rifle permit to register it.  Good thing he already had on e and it was current.

Compared to bringing any firearm from out of state, no permit is needed.  But must sign up for RAPBACK.

I have a friend on the Big Island who asked the local firearm division what they had to do before starting on an 80% and they told him "you dont need to register those here at all."   

Same group told my patient after they confiscated his firearm that he needed clearance from me (a physician) before he could get them back even though there was no crime committed and he was not arrested.

The best advice I have is to not trust the police at all, only get an answer from an attorney.  Or say F-it and simply take chances with non-compliance.

HPD could interpret the HRS to include manufacturing a firearm.

 §134-2  Permits to acquire.  (a)  No person shall acquire the ownership of a firearm, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, registered under prior law or by a prior owner or unregistered, either by purchase, gift, inheritance, bequest, or in any other manner, whether procured in the State or imported by mail, express, freight, or otherwise, until the person has first procured from the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business o

HPD (and the State) will interpret it in any way, shape or form to make sure the little people (us regular taxpayers/peons) are as defenseless as possible.

But the key to this one is that he "manufactured" the firearm outside of Hawaii, thus Hawaii has no legal jurisdiction. To interpret this otherwise would mean this regulation applies to every person in the USA