Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT (Read 3943 times)

macsak

Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« on: November 17, 2019, 10:37:50 AM »


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groveler

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2019, 12:02:27 PM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/too-far-left-some-candidates-dont-buy-the-argument/ar-BBWSjrz?ocid=spartanntp
Interesting video.  It is good to see there are still people out there that talk like I do.
Although I'm not a comedian.
As far as the Obama advice, I'm very confident that the "Modern" Democrat party
will ignore it.  I hope they do.  They are the party of the perverse, the losers, and
the un-ethical.  I repudiate them.
I don't have a very optimistic view of the future of America.  Democrats and the Democrat party
have pretty well destroyed it.  Once us old farts die off,  America will Balkanize and shatter.
Even here in Hawaii, most the islands would shed urban Oahu if they could legally do so.
Rural Californians  would love to rid themselves of the large coastal cities, Oregon rid itself of Portland,
Washington rid itself of Seattle, most "Blue states" are controlled by their large "Blue" Cities and the
people that produce tangible things don't live in the cities.  Rural people are tired of giving up
our freedoms and wealth to un-productive city people.
My 2 cents.

Kuleana

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2019, 02:13:20 PM »
I don't have a very optimistic view of the future of America.

Neither do I.



Democrats and the Democrat party have pretty well destroyed it.

Not totally correct, as it was the deviants of both parties that were responsible for violating and corrupting the US Constitution that led to where America is now.



Once us old farts die off,  America will Balkanize and shatter.

Totally agree!  History has already proved any multi- racial, ethnic, religious, culture, etc. nations will collapse in time.



Even here in Hawaii, most the islands would shed urban Oahu if they could legally do so.

Your statement sounds exactly what a non-local would say, as most locals would never try to separate themselves in any way from their family that are from urban Honolulu.

Ultimately, you are TOTALLY CORRECT though, as the US as a nation is slowly coming to an end from the forces within.

Like I have said in numerous posts in this forum, the RESTORATION OF HAWAII as a nation state WILL HAPPEN and surviving Hawaiian nationals need to be ready because the collapse of the US might happen sooner than most people think.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2019, 02:44:10 PM »
The US has the worst government on Earth ...

.... with the exception of every other government on Earth.

Our Constitution not only protects the law-abiding, but the criminal as well.  As opposed to an authoritarian or fascist government that oppresses everyone by removing said protections.

When the people in charge tilt the system in their favor, it's up to the rest of the country to restore balance.  That's hard to do in an age where "news" agencies value click$ more than the truth.  If half the country thinks their ideology must be implemented at any cost, it's impossible to prevent them from electing the same corrupt types that got us into this situation.

Having said that, I'd much rather live in a country with problems and be able to speak up about them -- online, in the courts, etc. -- than in a country where violence is the only recourse against a tyrannical government.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2019, 02:50:13 PM »
I don't have a very optimistic view of the future of America.

Neither do I.



Democrats and the Democrat party have pretty well destroyed it.

Not totally correct, as it was the deviants of both parties that were responsible for violating and corrupting the US Constitution that led to where America is now.



Once us old farts die off,  America will Balkanize and shatter.

Totally agree!  History has already proved any multi- racial, ethnic, religious, culture, etc. nations will collapse in time.



Even here in Hawaii, most the islands would shed urban Oahu if they could legally do so.

Your statement sounds exactly what a non-local would say, as most locals would never try to separate themselves in any way from their family that are from urban Honolulu.

Ultimately, you are TOTALLY CORRECT though, as the US as a nation is slowly coming to an end from the forces within.

Like I have said in numerous posts in this forum, the RESTORATION OF HAWAII as a nation state WILL HAPPEN and surviving Hawaiian nationals need to be ready because the collapse of the US might happen sooner than most people think.

Can you tell me what a "Hawaiian national" is, without using race, as there is no Hawaiian "race".
Do my friends from Palau, Guam, Marshall islands, Micronesia count?
I've lived here almost twenty years, yet I'm called a Haole.  Which
in the language is true, I don't speak Hawaiian, I "have no breath" .
Who re-forms your nation?  Who are the special anointed people?
Will they let you keep your guns?
Can you speak freely in public forums?
Can you control the land you personally purchased?
What will you do with all the "Non-Hawaiian" peoples?
Just asking.
Aloha.

groveler

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2019, 03:17:14 PM »
The US has the worst government on Earth ...

.... with the exception of every other government on Earth.

Our Constitution not only protects the law-abiding, but the criminal as well.  As opposed to an authoritarian or fascist government that oppresses everyone by removing said protections.

When the people in charge tilt the system in their favor, it's up to the rest of the country to restore balance.  That's hard to do in an age where "news" agencies value click$ more than the truth.  If half the country thinks their ideology must be implemented at any cost, it's impossible to prevent them from electing the same corrupt types that got us into this situation.

Having said that, I'd much rather live in a country with problems and be able to speak up about them -- online, in the courts, etc. -- than in a country where violence is the only recourse against a tyrannical government.
"Having said that, I'd much rather live in a country with problems and be able to speak up about them -- online, in the courts, etc. -- than in a country where violence is the only recourse against a tyrannical government."
I'd say you already live in such a country.
Look at the Mauna Kea protest,  that is violence against the government rule.  They are winning.
The telescope isn't being built.
In my opinion here in Hawaii the only option is passive/aggression against the government.
Regarding gun laws, taxes, use of your property, et al,  as there is only one party in this state.
The Democrat party.  I don't have to do anything to help any government agent.
I don't see anything nor do I do anything to assist the government.
If there is enough people practicing that, then the system will break.



Flapp_Jackson

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2019, 03:20:07 PM »
Can you tell me what a "Hawaiian national" is, without using race, as there is no Hawaiian "race".
Do my friends from Palau, Guam, Marshall islands, Micronesia count?
I've lived here almost twenty years, yet I'm called a Haole.  Which
in the language is true, I don't speak Hawaiian, I "have no breath" .
Who re-forms your nation?  Who are the special anointed people?
Will they let you keep your guns?
Can you speak freely in public forums?
Can you control the land you personally purchased?
What will you do with all the "Non-Hawaiian" peoples?
Just asking.
Aloha.



NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 :stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack: :stopjack:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2019, 04:11:54 PM »
As Willy Nelson once sang:
“On the road again..........”
 :geekdanc:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

drck1000

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2019, 04:25:31 PM »
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“The agenda that we have is an agenda supported by the vast majority of working people,” he said. “When I talk about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, I’m not tearing down the system. We’re fighting for justice. When I talk about health care being a human right and ending the embarrassment of America being the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care for every man, woman and child, that’s not tearing down the system. That’s doing what we should have done 30 years ago.”

Justice? How about you look into the healthcare INDUSTRY?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2019, 04:32:43 PM »
Justice? How about you look into the healthcare INDUSTRY?

You can't GIVE healthcare to every man, woman and child unless you TAKE IT from someone.  Either you force doctors, nurses and technicians to train, get degrees and go through residencies so we can provide all that increased healthcare service, or you bribe them into the jobs using tax-payer funded incentives.

And the whole "universal healthcare for illegals" thing is a non-starter.  We can't, and shouldn't, take our wealth and use it for anyone who decides to trespass into our country.  That's not how a country survives.

When did we become "The United States of Free Shit for Everyone Everywhere?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2019, 06:36:24 PM »
Can you tell me what a "Hawaiian national" is, without using race, as there is no Hawaiian "race".

People of ANY RACE who can trace their family lineage to an ancestor that had legal status in Hawaii prior to the illegal annexation by the US in 1898.



Do my friends from Palau, Guam, Marshall islands, Micronesia count?

See above.



I've lived here almost twenty years, yet I'm called a Haole.  Which in the language is true, I don't speak Hawaiian, I "have no breath" .

The original meaning of "Haole" in Hawaiian was foreigner.  The derogatory meaning it has today is from the Pidgin language used by the local multiracial population.

I, too, must have no breath because I am a Hawaiian that does not speak Hawaiian.




Who re-forms your nation?  Who are the special anointed people?

The nation would be reformed by Hawaiian nationals.




Will they let you keep your guns?

Why not?  There was gun ownership during the kingdom era.  The Hawaiian nationals who made King Kalakaua sign the Bayonet Constitution and who later overthrew Queen Liliuokalani used their own guns to do it.



Can you speak freely in public forums?

You should peruse the local newspapers that were in circulation during the Kingdom era.  You would be very surprised how much free speech there was during that time.  There is no reason to think that would change.



Can you control the land you personally purchased?

Land confiscation from PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS is LEGALLY FORBIDDEN according to international law with respect to de-occupation.  Only land directly controlled by the occupying nation would immediately revert back to the restored government's control.




What will you do with all the "Non-Hawaiian" peoples?  Just asking.  Aloha.

That is really up to the individuals living in Hawaii who are not legal nationals.

Since FORCED DEPORTATION of non-nationals is LEGALLY FORBIDDEN under international law regarding de-occupation, such residents must either be offered an opportunity to become nationals or permanent residents, similar to the mechanisms that existed during the Kingdom era.  However, those residents who choose neither would be classified as temporary visitors and must follow the laws as to how long they can stay in Hawaii, similar to the conventions currently held by other nations.

Kuleana

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2019, 07:18:46 PM »
When did we become "The United States of Free Shit for Everyone Everywhere?"

Is this a trick question?

On a microlevel, the fall of the US began when both sides of the political spectrum decided to placate and undermine the US Constitution.

On a macrolevel, it began when the US decided to expand beyond the original 13 colonies and become a multi-racial, cultural, religious, language, etc. global empire.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2019, 08:08:49 PM »
Is this a trick question?

On a microlevel, the fall of the US began when both sides of the political spectrum decided to placate and undermine the US Constitution.

On a macrolevel, it began when the US decided to expand beyond the original 13 colonies and become a multi-racial, cultural, religious, language, etc. global empire.

I'm sure you realize your regurgitated response didn't come close to answering the question, right?

That's the risk you take when you try to answer an obviously rhetorical question.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Obama Warns Democrats They Are Going TOO FAR LEFT
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2019, 10:02:05 PM »
As much as people hated on Obama he was actually fairly moderate considering where things are going now. I didn't vote for him but I have come to think he deserves more credit from republicans than he got/gets.

He is right here though, the left is going way too far. Hopefully this is the end of the pendulum swing but I suspect it has to swing a little farther first.