Trump Impeachment Proceedings (Read 78165 times)

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #320 on: January 29, 2020, 07:24:07 AM »
I was listening yesterday to the trial. Once again, the presidents defense team went into great detail of the lies brought on by Schiff and Nadler. This isn't rocket science. It should be over but I am hearing that new witnesses are probably going to be called. With this said I have been reading that the Republicans have ALWAYS been open to calling witnesses (despite what the MSM has been saying) as long as they get the witnesses they want. Basically they want to hear from Schiff, the POS Non-Whistleblower, and both Bidens. Also, there should be some Biden family members like Joe's sister, brother and another son along with Hunter's business partners. If we do get witnesses look to see this whole trial open up to a much greater clown show.

I am looking forward to hearing the senator's questions today.
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changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #321 on: January 29, 2020, 08:32:23 AM »
I was listening yesterday to the trial. Once again, the presidents defense team went into great detail of the lies brought on by Schiff and Nadler. This isn't rocket science. It should be over but I am hearing that new witnesses are probably going to be called. With this said I have been reading that the Republicans have ALWAYS been open to calling witnesses (despite what the MSM has been saying) as long as they get the witnesses they want. Basically they want to hear from Schiff, the POS Non-Whistleblower, and both Bidens. Also, there should be some Biden family members like Joe's sister, brother and another son along with Hunter's business partners. If we do get witnesses look to see this whole trial open up to a much greater clown show.

I am looking forward to hearing the senator's questions today.

That's where you're wrong, it is rocket science, quantum mechanics, flux capacitor,  and then some.  Because even without any opening statements or info presented by the DNC, anyone with google can look into the info over the past 3 years and come to a intelligent conclusion that its all BS.  When emotion gets involved, reasoning goes out the window.

Saw a pic of Hunter in his $300K sports car.  But yet he can't afford child support payments to the stripper he knocked up...I bet his mom owns the car.

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #322 on: January 29, 2020, 08:40:12 AM »
I was listening yesterday to the trial. Once again, the presidents defense team went into great detail of the lies brought on by Schiff and Nadler. This isn't rocket science. It should be over but I am hearing that new witnesses are probably going to be called. With this said I have been reading that the Republicans have ALWAYS been open to calling witnesses (despite what the MSM has been saying) as long as they get the witnesses they want. Basically they want to hear from Schiff, the POS Non-Whistleblower, and both Bidens. Also, there should be some Biden family members like Joe's sister, brother and another son along with Hunter's business partners. If we do get witnesses look to see this whole trial open up to a much greater clown show.

I am looking forward to hearing the senator's questions today.
I'm really interested in how the next 2 days or so will go, particularly what doors are opened and what they will reveal. 

And is it just me, or every time I see Schiff or Nadler, I just want to punch them right in the teef.  And it's not because of these proceedings. Schiff just looks like a total oogly eyed weasel. 

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #323 on: January 29, 2020, 08:48:32 AM »
Correct.  I think EEF sees/hears what he wants to see/hear. 

Never mind there is the IG's testimony transcript taken in the "bunker in the basement" that still hasn't been released to the Republicans/Trump's team, and was not part of the Senate trial.

Why not?  What could there be in that deposition that Schiff doesn't want anyone to hear? 

Perhaps the facts that lead the IG to conclude the complaint by the informant was not only inconsistent with the investigation's facts, but it may also detail why the IG judged the informant to have political bias -- something that factored into why the IG did not treat the complaint as 100% credible?

Perhaps the transcript includes the informant's account of how he contacted Schiff's staff (maybe even Schiff himself), while Schiff is still maintaining he has no idea who the informant is.   :wacko:

When there's a hidden record of the FIRST PERSON to have received and investigated the complaint that started this whole impeachment still being kept away from EVERYBODY involved, it makes you wonder.  If it was BAD for Trump, I guarantee it would have been front and center last week.  We can only assume it's bad for Schiff's case.
While I am not super familiar with the Senate's standard of evidence/proof/care in trying impeachment, I saw many posts from liberals to the effect of why are Republicans unable to provide evidence that Trump is innocent.  Isn't the Constitution for ALL Americans?  Think some people only use parts of it when it serves their agenda and trample on it when it gets in their way.  Pesky constitution. . . 

I'm waiting for more links on Schiff to other high profile events that were overcome by impeachment. . . :hmm: #noteverythingisaconspiracy #dammittinfoiliscontagious

The 70+ hours of closed sessions is another. 

Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #324 on: January 29, 2020, 08:50:44 AM »
I'm really interested in how the next 2 days or so will go, particularly what doors are opened and what they will reveal. 

And is it just me, or every time I see Schiff or Nadler, I just want to punch them right in the teef.  And it's not because of these proceedings. Schiff just looks like a total oogly eyed weasel.
Yeah, I want to poke him in the googly eyes!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #325 on: January 29, 2020, 08:56:04 AM »
Yeah, I want to poke him in the googly eyes!  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That would work too!   :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #326 on: January 29, 2020, 09:17:38 AM »
I'm really interested in how the next 2 days or so will go, particularly what doors are opened and what they will reveal. 

And is it just me, or every time I see Schiff or Nadler, I just want to punch them right in the teef.  And it's not because of these proceedings. Schiff just looks like a total oogly eyed weasel.

I want to know who is the missing witness.  Schiff mentioned 18 witness,but only 17 by name.  Was it a typo?

drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #327 on: January 29, 2020, 03:27:19 PM »
I want to know who is the missing witness.  Schiff mentioned 18 witness,but only 17 by name.  Was it a typo?
Schifficide. . . or got sent to Wuhan. . .

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #328 on: January 29, 2020, 03:41:32 PM »
While I am not super familiar with the Senate's standard of evidence/proof/care in trying impeachment, I saw many posts from liberals to the effect of why are Republicans unable to provide evidence that Trump is innocent.  Isn't the Constitution for ALL Americans?  Think some people only use parts of it when it serves their agenda and trample on it when it gets in their way.  Pesky constitution. . . 

I'm waiting for more links on Schiff to other high profile events that were overcome by impeachment. . . :hmm: #noteverythingisaconspiracy #dammittinfoiliscontagious

The 70+ hours of closed sessions is another.

The defense Team DID offer evidence of innocence.  It's called "THE F*CKING TRANSCRIPT OF THE CALL".

Everybody who read or listened to what Trump and Zelensky talked about comprehends there was no bribery, no extortion and no link between the paused aid (which Zelensky didn't find out was paused until a month later from Politico), and there was NO DEMAND for an investigation or even an announcement of one to get the aid.

Trump's got to be the worse extortionist in history.  He expected something from Zelensky in exchange for releasing aid even though the aid was never discussed.  These people have been watching too much of The Godfather.

Trump ran on and has been consistent in withholding or pausing aid to many other countries.  Only now that the Bidens are being investigated -- AGAIN -- for corruption is Trump a "national security threat".

I'm also still trying to figure out how Ukraine not getting a few million buck in aid represents a massive national security threat from Russia against the US.   :wacko: 

Trump has done more for security in Ukraine than Obama ever did, and without promising the Russians "more flexibility" after his reelection.
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changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #329 on: January 30, 2020, 08:52:12 PM »
So a woman who claims Trump taped her in the 90s wants a DNA sample from him so they can test it on some jizz on a dress.


So she kept the dress for 30 years hoping 1 day a DNA test would be able to prove he jizzed on her.

Distraction from impeachment trial falling apart, so the dnc needs something else to try and swing the election. Que the racism accusations next.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #330 on: January 30, 2020, 09:10:15 PM »
So a woman who claims Trump taped her in the 90s wants a DNA sample from him so they can test it on some jizz on a dress.


So she kept the dress for 30 years hoping 1 day a DNA test would be able to prove he jizzed on her.

Distraction from impeachment trial falling apart, so the dnc needs something else to try and swing the election. Que the racism accusations next.

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That's the whack job that creeped out Anderson Cooper during her interview.  He was so uneasy, he abruptly went to commercial before she said way too much.

If she has evidence -- real evidence -- of raped, she needs to present it.  Otherwise, any DNA match only proves they had a close encounter, not necessarily rape.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: So you don't feel like a victim?

E. JEAN CARROLL: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which, the word "rape" carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just, it hurt.

ANDERSON COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a violent assault. It is not sexual--

E. JEAN CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy.

ANDERSON COOPER: Let's take a short break.

E. JEAN CARROLL: Think of the fantasies.

ANDERSON COOPER: We're going to take a short break. If you could stick around we can talk more.

E. JEAN CARROLL: You're fascinating to talk to.    :shake:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html
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Inspector

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #331 on: January 31, 2020, 06:25:56 AM »
So a woman who claims Trump taped her in the 90s wants a DNA sample from him so they can test it on some jizz on a dress.


So she kept the dress for 30 years hoping 1 day a DNA test would be able to prove he jizzed on her.

Distraction from impeachment trial falling apart, so the dnc needs something else to try and swing the election. Que the racism accusations next.

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She kept the dress as a souvenir. Now she wants to sell it on eBay for a million bucks!!! [/sarcasm]
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drck1000

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #332 on: January 31, 2020, 10:49:32 AM »
Murkowski comes out against impeachment witnesses, putting Trump on path to acquittal

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Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski came out Friday against calling witnesses in President Trump’s impeachment trial, all but assuring the Senate will move to wrap up proceedings with a likely acquittal in a matter of days, if not hours.

“Given the partisan nature of this impeachment from the very beginning and throughout, I have come to the conclusion that there will be no fair trial in the Senate. I don’t believe the continuation of this process will change anything. It is sad for me to admit that, as an institution, the Congress has failed,” said Murkowski, R-Alaska, a key moderate senator who has been closely watched on the witness question.

The announcement came after Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., who also had been on the fence on the issue, announced late Thursday that he would not support additional witnesses in Trump's "shallow, hurried and wholly partisan” trial.

Right now, Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Mitt Romney of Utah are the only GOP senators to signal support for witnesses. Presuming Democrats vote as a bloc and no other Republicans defect, this would leave the pro-witness side with just 49 votes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/murkowski-comes-out-against-impeachment-witnesses-putting-trump-on-path-to-acquittal

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #333 on: January 31, 2020, 11:51:15 AM »
What if the WBs name is left out because of Erics involvement in ukraines 2014 uprising. U know when snipers were put in buildings targeting both civilians and police.

Was Brennan his boss?

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #334 on: January 31, 2020, 12:49:25 PM »
Just watched the Senate vote on whether to subpoena witnesses in the trial.

Yes:  49

No:  51

Bolton is now a non-issue, with the obvious caveat that the Dems will now be crying the trial was "unfair" and "rigged", and "THAT ONE WITNESS"  would have convicted Trump.   :crazy:

Next vote will be on acquittal which is another "majority wins" vote.  If (when) that passes, the trial is done.  if it fails, then they'll vote on conviction -- a "Super Majority (2/3)" vote, which is guaranteed to fail.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #335 on: January 31, 2020, 01:54:14 PM »
The defense team has set up 3 arguments to defend Trump. One is a very good defense but the other too are just not valid in my opinion. It should be noted that these defense arguments basically do nothing to support Trump's original claims that there was nothing wrong, the defense team never argues Trump didn't do it or even argues there is no ethical aspect. They only defend it by saying he can and it isn't impeachable.

1. They are complaining about precedence and rules. This is weak in my eyes as there isn't exactly a rule book for most of what is happening. There are a few instances in the past but nothing that dictates it has to be done that way.

2. They are trying to make the case that if it isn't a crime then it isn't impeachable. Though the argument made was very articulate and by a well respected authority on the constitution I don't buy the argument because it supposes the only way to remove a sitting president were if he committed a crime or was incapacitated. Now you might ask what is wrong with that, but try to imagine a scenario where a president  starts doing legal but horrible things. Imagine the president joining the KKK and saying we should lynch people. Imagine a president saying Nazis had the right idea with the final solution and got a tattoo of a swastika on his neck. Imagine a president saying he wanted to pass an amendment removing the freedom of speech from the constitution and claimed gun owners were terrorists. Is anyone going to sit there and seriously claim that since there would be no crime the only resolution would be to vote a different president in year(s) later?   Plus impeachment as a process has a history involving non criminal allegations. There were also multiple mentions of impeachment of Obama for things that weren't criminal either so I don't think a bunch of GOP congresspeople can sit around and now honestly maintain impeachment cannot be for a non criminal act.

3. Trump's best argument is that there was a legitimate reason to require an investigation even if that call also benefitted him. The prosecution has put forth a pretty strong and convincing argument that Trump was really just interested in the announcement that there would be an investigation and did not care about the legitimate reason. Having said that, it isn't really a matter of how much motive is involved, it could be 80% personal benefit and 20% the right thing to do and that is still enough to justify his call for an investigation

4. (Not really a legal argument but an ideological one they are making) The defense is putting forth the idea that this is trying to reverse an election and therefore should be seen as invalid or unacceptable on some grounds. This is an empty argument because they are using a proscribed process. It isn't some illegal subverting of the will of the voters or influencing the election. If someone got arrested for committing a crime on election day and therefore could not vote are the police then interfering with the election? Not if they are following the proscribed laws and procedures.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #336 on: January 31, 2020, 02:02:10 PM »
You have to learn to read.

I said the MANGERS (Schiff, Nadler, etc) are lying, not the witnesses.  The witness statements presented by the House Managers are cherry-picked, out-of-context and often contradicted in later testimony.  They presented the narrative-friendly soundbites and ignored the rest.

The statements used were false -- that doesn't mean the statements were lies.  They were presented to the Senate in a dishonest manner.

You only have to listen to the 2 hour opening statement from Saturday to understand.  I challenge you to watch.  If you burst into flames, I'll pay for your dry cleaning.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?468504-1/senate-impeachment-trial-day-6-opening-defense-arguments

The prosecution and defense are both cherry picking, that's what they do. If you want to call that lying then they are both lying.

changemyoil66

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #337 on: January 31, 2020, 02:34:32 PM »
The prosecution and defense are both cherry picking, that's what they do. If you want to call that lying then they are both lying.

I would say 1 side cherry picks more than the other.  But this is why I rely on my own information which showed this is a witch hunt and holds no merit.

Didnt the fake news and DNC say it's unethical to call for an investigation into a political candidate.  Yet we have 3 opposing candidates who are going to vote on another political candidate.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #338 on: January 31, 2020, 02:35:07 PM »
Just watched the Senate vote on whether to subpoena witnesses in the trial.

Yes:  49

No:  51

Bolton is now a non-issue, with the obvious caveat that the Dems will now be crying the trial was "unfair" and "rigged", and "THAT ONE WITNESS"  would have convicted Trump.   :crazy:

Next vote will be on acquittal which is another "majority wins" vote.  If (when) that passes, the trial is done.  if it fails, then they'll vote on conviction -- a "Super Majority (2/3)" vote, which is guaranteed to fail.

If the house really wanted to and thought Bolton had some smoking gun they could always hold another impeachment hearing and subpoena him again. So if all they do is complain that it was unfair then they are just doing it for show. We'll see if they take any actual steps to hear testimony from Bolton.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Trump Impeachment Proceedings
« Reply #339 on: January 31, 2020, 02:37:06 PM »
I would say 1 side cherry picks more than the other.  But this is why I rely on my own information which showed this is a witch hunt and holds no merit.

Agree with you on the first half disagree on the second half.

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Didnt the fake news and DNC say it's unethical to call for an investigation into a political candidate.  Yet we have 3 opposing candidates who are going to vote on another political candidate.

I hadn't heard any claim that its unethical to investigate a candidate but I suppose it is possible.