Way off topic, but freedom and ability to defend a nation/country is way more than having nukes...

There is no argument with that.

However, the US does not need the amount that it currently spends on the military to accomplish what you said, especially when such funds could be better spent on things like the boarder wall, better health care, domestic infrastructure repairs/improvement, water quality, cures for diseases, education, etc.

Way off topic, but freedom and ability to defend a nation/country is way more than having nukes...

those ICBM silos are defending Hawaii extremely well, even us fascist goons...

someone bought into that tank of black KoolAid the Dems been selling huh?
haters gonna hate while I'm eating crab and drinking Cristal every other night, loungin' in my infinity pool looking at the beautiful Hawaiian sunset. Can't wait to get my Tesla.

#FascistGoonLife

Way off topic, but freedom and ability to defend a nation/country is way more than having nukes...

I agree and this is where Kuleana and I part ways. I believe in military spending. Lot’s of it. I would rather have too much and not have to use it than not have enough when needed. I also feel we are way behind in hypersonic technology. Where I am sure we also part ways is in social programs. They obviously don’t work for the majority of those who need them. And one should only need them for a limited amount of time to give you time to get back on your feet. The real drag on our economy are social programs and wasted education funding. We are not getting results from education spending that we need. Mostly this is due to bloated government run education districts that just suck up money and produce children that do not produce and add to the economy enough.

Right now things are good and some freedom has been gained back since Trump came into office. But we need to get our spending under control. JMHO

I agree and this is where Kuleana and I part ways. I believe in military spending. Lot’s of it. I would rather have too much and not have to use it than not have enough when needed. I also feel we are way behind in hypersonic technology. Where I am sure we also part ways is in social programs. They obviously don’t work for the majority of those who need them. And one should only need them for a limited amount of time to give you time to get back on your feet. The real drag on our economy are social programs and wasted education funding. We are not getting results from education spending that we need. Mostly this is due to bloated government run education districts that just suck up money and produce children that do not produce and add to the economy enough.

Right now things are good and some freedom has been gained back since Trump came into office. But we need to get our spending under control. JMHO

A lot of the opinions of military spending truly isn’t fully informed about what we’re protecting against or deterring.

Don’t get me started on social programs. Maybe after my coffee... 

Don’t get me started on social programs. Maybe after my coffee... 

On my third cup!!! 

On my third cup!!! 

And opinions AREN’T...

Grammah Natzees 🤪😝

And opinions AREN’T...

Grammah Natzees 🤪😝

CHEE HUUUUUUU!!!!!

I agree and this is where Kuleana and I part ways. I believe in military spending. Lot’s of it. I would rather have too much and not have to use it than not have enough when needed. I also feel we are way behind in hypersonic technology. Where I am sure we also part ways is in social programs. They obviously don’t work for the majority of those who need them. And one should only need them for a limited amount of time to give you time to get back on your feet. The real drag on our economy are social programs and wasted education funding. We are not getting results from education spending that we need. Mostly this is due to bloated government run education districts that just suck up money and produce children that do not produce and add to the economy enough.

Right now things are good and some freedom has been gained back since Trump came into office. But we need to get our spending under control. JMHO

I agree 100%!
I will only add this. I've been in the military, worked in Aerospace, and Academic/science industries.
My observations over a life of work,  any time you get the government involved,  it becomes
politicized, and waste follows, because of politics.
Merry Christmas.

I'd like to add that most people don't understand the research, development and procurement process, nor how long that can take for major weapons systems.

Most focus on bullets, rifles, and tanks. 

They don't think about a high tech fighter plane or drone that cost MILLIONS PER COPY. 

They don't know that the military AND PRIVATE COMPANIES spend years and BILLIONS on research and development, most of which never makes it into production.  A better widget beats it to market, a better countermeasure is developed making the thing obsolete before it's deployed (think anti-tank missiles that make a new tank vulnerable), or military contracts and support spending is used as political footballs to keep jobs in one district versus others.

I worked on the E-3 AWACS program for over 5 years.  Just that one platform included radar, communications, mission computers, and other systems separate and apart from the actual airframe -- a modified Boeing 707.  The technology was being upgraded constantly, and the systems had to function within the confines of the resources on the aircraft including power, cooling and space. 

When a system is funded, it takes years to develop, test, modify and certify them before they can be deployed for real world operations.  That's not cheap, especially when you can't run out to Walmart and pick up the parts you need when something breaks.  Ongoing maintenance and parts procurement must be in place to ensure the warfighters aren't on the sidelines while their equipment awaits repairs.

I agree 100%!
I will only add this. I've been in the military, worked in Aerospace, and Academic/science industries.
My observations over a life of work,  any time you get the government involved,  it becomes
politicized, and waste follows, because of politics.
Merry Christmas.

I couldn’t agree more. We need government for some things. We just need them for a few things. I am sure there is plenty of waste in our military. However, I think they are doing a good job with what they have to work with. And with Trump directing I am sure they will get more of what they need. Even with the waste.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

I agree and this is where Kuleana and I part ways. I believe in military spending. Lot’s of it. I would rather have too much and not have to use it than not have enough when needed. I also feel we are way behind in hypersonic technology. Where I am sure we also part ways is in social programs. They obviously don’t work for the majority of those who need them. And one should only need them for a limited amount of time to give you time to get back on your feet. The real drag on our economy are social programs and wasted education funding. We are not getting results from education spending that we need. Mostly this is due to bloated government run education districts that just suck up money and produce children that do not produce and add to the economy enough.

Right now things are good and some freedom has been gained back since Trump came into office. But we need to get our spending under control. JMHO

I am surprised you made the above comment as you did.

You said countries who do not control their deficit spending are doomed in the long-run.  However, your comments above suggest you don't mind if the US overspends beyond its means if it is to the military.  Don't you see that it is this overspending you said you were against, but hypocritically support for the military that will doom the US in the long-run, as did the Rome and the Soviet Union?

Every nation needs to maintain a military that can protect its interests, but the US has a military that definitely not only goes beyond defending its borders, but geared for global domination that it no longer can afford.  Seeing how the US military budget is far greater than Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK's respective budgets combined, this is clear evidence that it is a gross misallocation of funds.  I would be willing to wager if the US diverted just 25% of its annual military budget to cure cancer for the next deccade, the US can be forever remembered and loved as the conqueror of that disease, instead of the global hegemon, as it is regarded today.

I am surprised you made the above comment as you did.

You said countries who do not control their deficit spending are doomed in the long-run.  However, your comments above suggest you don't mind if the US overspends beyond its means if it is to the military.  Don't you see that it is this overspending you said you were against, but hypocritically support for the military that will doom the US in the long-run, as did the Rome and the Soviet Union?

Every nation needs to maintain a military that can protect its interests, but the US has a military that definitely not only goes beyond defending its borders, but geared for global domination that it no longer can afford.  Seeing how the US military budget is far greater than Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK's respective budgets combined, this is clear evidence that it is a gross misallocation of funds.  I would be willing to wager if the US diverted just 25% of its annual military budget to cure cancer for the next deccade, the US can be forever remembered and loved as the conqueror of that disease, instead of the global hegemon, as it is regarded today.

there are millions of people illegally in this country, and thousands more trying to get in each day, curious as to why they would want to come to a country that is regarded as a global hegemon?

there are millions of people illegally in this country, and thousands more trying to get in each day, curious as to why they would want to come to a country that is regarded as a global hegemon?

because:
Free medical!
Free education!
Free food!
Free dental!...well maybe...


#heads
#distressed
#IllegalOccupation
#FascistGoons

there are millions of people illegally in this country, and thousands more trying to get in each day, curious as to why they would want to come to a country that is regarded as a global hegemon?

How about the Democrats and liberals promising free everything to these people in exchange for votes in political elections at the expense of US taxpayers and citizenry?

How about the Democrats and liberals promising free everything to these people in exchange for votes in political elections at the expense of US taxpayers and citizenry?

hence, the title of this thread

USA!

not only free stuff but most people are fleeing their distressed, occupied failed states

I am surprised you made the above comment as you did.

You said countries who do not control their deficit spending are doomed in the long-run.  However, your comments above suggest you don't mind if the US overspends beyond its means if it is to the military.  Don't you see that it is this overspending you said you were against, but hypocritically support for the military that will doom the US in the long-run, as did the Rome and the Soviet Union?

Every nation needs to maintain a military that can protect its interests, but the US has a military that definitely not only goes beyond defending its borders, but geared for global domination that it no longer can afford.  Seeing how the US military budget is far greater than Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK's respective budgets combined, this is clear evidence that it is a gross misallocation of funds.  I would be willing to wager if the US diverted just 25% of its annual military budget to cure cancer for the next deccade, the US can be forever remembered and loved as the conqueror of that disease, instead of the global hegemon, as it is regarded today.

Not to answer FOR Inspector, the answer is simple.

The Constitution gives the federal government a short list of duties.  One primary duty is to "provide for the common defense."

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution says:

11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The social welfare programs designed to buy votes and keep people voting "Democrat" are not a responsibility of the US Gov't.  Before the welfare state began, families, churches, charities and philanthropic organizations provided those services.

We had ONE homeless person in the city I grew up in, and he was an alcoholic with no family and refused help.  However, we never saw him outside when it was cold out.  He could always count on a place to stay and food to eat without any gov't handouts.

I am surprised you made the above comment as you did.

You said countries who do not control their deficit spending are doomed in the long-run.  However, your comments above suggest you don't mind if the US overspends beyond its means if it is to the military.  Don't you see that it is this overspending you said you were against, but hypocritically support for the military that will doom the US in the long-run, as did the Rome and the Soviet Union?

Every nation needs to maintain a military that can protect its interests, but the US has a military that definitely not only goes beyond defending its borders, but geared for global domination that it no longer can afford.  Seeing how the US military budget is far greater than Russia, China, Iran, and the DPRK's respective budgets combined, this is clear evidence that it is a gross misallocation of funds.  I would be willing to wager if the US diverted just 25% of its annual military budget to cure cancer for the next deccade, the US can be forever remembered and loved as the conqueror of that disease, instead of the global hegemon, as it is regarded today.

Why are you so fixated on military spending? You really think spending for medical and other more noble endeavors aren’t wasteful?

Not to answer FOR Inspector, the answer is simple.

The Constitution gives the federal government a short list of duties.  One primary duty is to "provide for the common defense."

As a strict fan of the US Constitution, I really appreciate your latest post.

According to your quote, appropriation for money for the raising and supporting armies can only go on for two years, maximum.  Hence, it is clear that the garrisoning of the planet with US bases today is definitely in violation of the US Constitution.

Furthermore, although the founding fathers could not have envisioned all of the modern aspects of today's military, the Constitution does not give a green light or blank check to military spending that has currently gone beyond the financial means of the nation.

Why are you so fixated on military spending? You really think spending for medical and other more noble endeavors aren’t wasteful?

Yes; there is mass corruption in all areas in the discretionary side of the US budget.

It is just military spending accounts for at least half, if not more than half of that budget.  Hence, the corruption and waste in military spending relatively dwarfs the corruption of the other areas.