I heard nothing about head shots. Were they multiple ?
Regardless, yes it would take some skill, even at close range to acquire both shots on trained officers.
 
   I'm also interested in the firearm.
Ballard said "it was not registered" but was it legally purchased ?
i:e. he went thru HPD back ground check and they failed to note his TRO's ?

could be a long gun purchased before 1984.  that's when they started registration for long guns, I believe.  can't remember, if it's 1984, or 1994. damn, this CRS.  now that I think about it, I think it's 1994, long gun registration.

could be a long gun purchased before 1984.  that's when they started registration for long guns, I believe.  can't remember, if it's 1984, or 1994. damn, this CRS.  now that I think about it, I think it's 1994, long gun registration.

Copy that, 1994

The news did bring up red flag laws.  But none of the neighbors knew he was a gun owner, so it would have been a moot example that's going to be pushed.

Or if the guns were even his...

the core problem is a mentally unstable person. He not only used a firearm but a garden tool and committed arson.

the core problem is a mentally unstable person. He not only used a firearm but a garden tool and committed arson.

Bingo!

Tragic, sad, etc event all the way around. 

That said, from a logical and rational perspective, how would have gun laws changed anything?  Those motivated to doing evil will find a way, no matter the method.  And in this case, I don't think one can rationalize a clearly irrational person.  Though I am sure there will be many who will try to do so from an emotional basis and react by calling for further gun restrictions in the name of "doing something". 

Bingo!

Tragic, sad, etc event all the way around. 

That said, from a logical and rational perspective, how would have gun laws changed anything?  Those motivated to doing evil will find a way, no matter the method.  And in this case, I don't think one can rationalize a clearly irrational person.  Though I am sure there will be many who will try to do so from an emotional basis and react by calling for further gun restrictions in the name of "doing something".

they should also do something along the lines of all tools used to start a fire and harm caused by garden tools. The 2 officers were shot but also a possible 3rd victim was killed by arson.

Police cadaver dog leads investigators to human remains in ashes of Diamond Head property

HONOLULU, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - A police cadaver dog has led investigators to human remains in the ashes of a Diamond Head home, Hawaii News Now has learned.

Authorities did not immediately have more information on the find.

The news comes as two people ― the suspect and his landlord ― remain unaccounted for in the wake of Sunday’s shooting and fires in the Diamond Head area.

Authorities are presuming that the suspect, 69-year-old Jerry Hanel, is dead but have not yet ruled out that he got away.

He is accused of stabbing a woman and fatally two police officers before apparently setting a fire that burned at least five homes to the ground.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/01/21/suspects-landlord-remains-unaccounted-following-diamond-head-shooting-fires/

If the remains are of Jerry Hanel, I hope it was a slow and painful end. . .

The first officers that was shot in head didn’t see it coming probably a ambush! The responding officers probably Heard panic on the radio raced over to help falling officers when they were probably ambushed to! They know the area but not the exact location on the perp! Why was that one police car on fire right next to the house?

Why do they keep saying he’s name! Only make copy cats!

Why do they keep saying his name! Only make copy cats!

I don't think that really works.

They talk about stiffening gun laws as if would have prevented this tragedy.  He already violated the existing laws against him having a gun, murder, assault and arson.

Tell me how more laws would have helped or even prevent future incidents.

They talk about stiffening gun laws as if would have prevented this tragedy.  He already violated the existing laws against him having a gun, murder, assault and arson.

Tell me how more laws would have helped or even prevent future incidents.

That's not how our law makers work.  "oh a gun was used because it well off a military supply plane, lets make more laws against the law abiding".

In his State of the State address, Ige said even the strictest gun laws could not have stopped what happened in Diamond Head this past weekend. So his focus is getting more officers to supplement the force. Was interesting that he said that, particularly the first part.

could be a long gun purchased before 1984.  that's when they started registration for long guns, I believe.  can't remember, if it's 1984, or 1994. damn, this CRS.  now that I think about it, I think it's 1994, long gun registration.

Could also be the notorious "Goose Gun". 

Well that didn't take long to start the victim shaming and gun control narrative.  Can't waste time and let people get the idea that mental health and crazy people are the problem!  Yep, it her own fault she and our officers were murdered!    Low HNN very low

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiNewsNow/posts/10157867748700479

Could something have been done by "the system?"

YES

Could something have been done by "the system" without violating the civil rights of everyone else who didn't kill anyone today, but who happens to fit the criteria they pretend predicted this one man would become violent?

NO

Not sure how you know the answer to that second question... you have some inside information about the man's police record and mental health records?

Well that didn't take long to start the victim shaming and gun control narrative.  Can't waste time and let people get the idea that mental health and crazy people are the problem!  Yep, it her own fault she and our officers were murdered!    Low HNN very low

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiNewsNow/posts/10157867748700479

The comments on HNN are back to :facepalm:

Not sure how you know the answer to that second question... you have some inside information about the man's police record and mental health records?

Inside?

Not necessary.

He was identified by HPD as mentally ill.

He and HPD had MANY interactions.

No one believed he had guns, because he had TROs against him filed by neighbors.

The missing landlord had her late husband's guns that were registered to him.

I'm going to guess the 69 yr old renter was able to access her guns.  No laws would have stopped him -- either existing or future laws.

The only thing that would have stopped him would have included involuntary committal and treatment.  That means every other mentally ill person with similar symptoms would also be committed.

Only one person did anything this violent.

Condolences to the families of the officers.
I think its irresponsible journalism to make a statement that he "may". The investigators havent completed their jobs yet and the landlord is still missing. Shame on HNN.