WOW! Just WOW! The stock market seemed to shrug off all the Corona Virus panic and it closed up almost 1,300 points over 5%. Apple up 25 over 9% to 298.81. I suspected this would happen but just not today and not this much. I think the big thing is now let's wait and see how quickly China can recover its manufacturing and supply lines. If they can come back significantly in a month or less you will see the stock market respond significantly. 

My guess is that it is a Toilet Paper Bounce. Retail is getting some love after a record number of store closures over the past few years. We will see what happens

My guess is that it is a Toilet Paper Bounce. Retail is getting some love after a record number of store closures over the past few years. We will see what happens

So far this morning the markets are up/down numerous times already. Swinging back and forth. As I write this it is down 80 points or so. But I have seen 500 point swings already this morning. The market may be down/stagnant for a few weeks. The economy might take a bit of a hit.

Toilet Paper Bounce? I have not heard that term in a while. Could very well happen. Like you said, we’ll see what happens.

I went to Queen's ER on Saturday. It was busy but no unusual activity or screening procedures.
Went to Walmart late last night. They were nearly "wiped out" of toilet paper.
Rubbing alcohol was gone. They had plenty of disinfectant wipes.
Distilled water was a buck a gallon. I use it for antifreeze mix, windshield washer.
Mixed with Clorox for disinfectant. Mix with Lysol or pinesol for quick floor mopping solution.

Mixed with Clorox for disinfectant. Mix with Lysol or pinesol for quick floor mopping solution.

Notice you didn't mention that li'l tidbit of info when Inspector was looking for a house cleaner. 

Notice you didn't mention that li'l tidbit of info when Inspector was looking for a house cleaner. 

...
Would YOU want to go clean up after him?
Eeewwww

Notice you didn't mention that li'l tidbit of info when Inspector was looking for a house cleaner. 

Will work for ammo. Well at min spam musubi.

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Lowe's on Maui get choke N100 mask.

Best to assume the virus is in Hawaii,  the department of health isnt allowing testing for patients were concerned about unless they have specifically been to china or have been in contact with a known infection.  It is spreading in the states already without this criteria so we are not testing as much as we want.  In oregon with that spontaneous case in Lake oswego the whole state has only done 50 tests.   

So assume it is already here and take appropriate precautions.  Dont want for the idiots at the department of health tell you what to do. 

  I think I need to call the media.  Both myself and one of the docs from the urgent care here seeing patients who have just arrived from seattle and california cant get an answer when we call the health department to arrange testing.  That urgent care closed today because they cant get the support and dont want to get infected themselves.    The health department isnt  even answering the phones for the hotline numbers they gave for physicians to call. 

Inducing panic wont really help but we really need to induce some outrage that our health department is totally failing us on this.   

The only think I trust less than a politician is the media though and I dont know how to get this information out. 

stay safe out there,  assume the virus is here and spreading.  We should know if this is the case in 2-3 weeks if the hospitals get overrun with patient.  But I cant test patients I want to test.   

  I think I need to call the media.  Both myself and one of the docs from the urgent care here seeing patients who have just arrived from seattle and california cant get an answer when we call the health department to arrange testing.  That urgent care closed today because they cant get the support and dont want to get infected themselves.    The health department isnt  even answering the phones for the hotline numbers they gave for physicians to call. 

Inducing panic wont really help but we really need to induce some outrage that our health department is totally failing us on this.   

The only think I trust less than a politician is the media though and I dont know how to get this information out. 

stay safe out there,  assume the virus is here and spreading.  We should know if this is the case in 2-3 weeks if the hospitals get overrun with patient.  But I cant test patients I want to test.

Created a dummy FB account and post on SSH what you did here.  Then hundreds will comment on it and it will force action.  Do it at Apple so they can't trace the IP.  Unless you already have a VPN.

Created a dummy FB account and post on SSH what you did here.  Then hundreds will comment on it and it will force action.  Do it at Apple so they can't trace the IP.  Unless you already have a VPN.

This.  Stolen Stuff Hawaii has a lot of pull.  Don't be surprised if the media contacts YOU afterwards.

  I think I need to call the media.  Both myself and one of the docs from the urgent care here seeing patients who have just arrived from seattle and california cant get an answer when we call the health department to arrange testing.  That urgent care closed today because they cant get the support and dont want to get infected themselves.    The health department isnt  even answering the phones for the hotline numbers they gave for physicians to call. 

Inducing panic wont really help but we really need to induce some outrage that our health department is totally failing us on this.   

The only think I trust less than a politician is the media though and I dont know how to get this information out. 

stay safe out there,  assume the virus is here and spreading.  We should know if this is the case in 2-3 weeks if the hospitals get overrun with patient.  But I cant test patients I want to test.

our leaders will blame Pres Trump

As I progress towards retirement and moving I have not had much of a chance to post in this thread.

The markets are in an obvious panic. Listening to Larry Kudlow this morning reinforced my thoughts that the economy is still very strong. Especially after the job numbers for February were released. Unemployment still at a low of 3.5%. Participation rate at 63.4%. Wages up month over month 3.0%. Added number of jobs for February is 273,000. These are terrific numbers and a leading indicator that the economy is still strong. The 10 year treasury is at an all time low as traders continue to pull out of the panicked market in their flight to safety. There is some concern that this rate could turn negative. This is the same deflation that Japan and Germany are experiencing. I have long said here that deflation is probably the biggest threat to our economy. Even tho we have never really experienced deflation, it is a threat that can be hard to recover from. On the plus side most mortgage rates are tied to the 10 year treasury so look for mortgage rates to drop if they have not already. Kudlow also said that some stimulus is on the table but it won’t be panic stimulus rather it will be targeted. The stimulus will mostly be used to help prevent our economy from slowing too much due to the market panic. So the administration doesn’t want anyone to think we are panicking because we are not. I’m not sure I like this. More liquidity usually means quantitative easing or printing more money.

On a positive note, China claims the infection rate is slowing as well as the death rate. I heard a rumor late last month which I have not been able to corroborate that Foxconn will be back up and running near capacity by the end of March. We’ll see if that is true or not.

I think we’ll see the markets bottom out when we see the virus infections slow down every where else in the world other than China.

Adding to this post:

I forgot to add that airline and hotel stocks, which have been some of the hardest his in this panic drop, are coming back up today. Could this be a sign the market is going to come back soon? We’ll see.

I am guessing that the panic will subside once everyone gets their share of the Fed money.

As I progress towards retirement and moving I have not had much of a chance to post in this thread.

The markets are in an obvious panic. Listening to Larry Kudlow this morning reinforced my thoughts that the economy is still very strong. Especially after the job numbers for February were released. Unemployment still at a low of 3.5%. Participation rate at 63.4%. Wages up month over month 3.0%. Added number of jobs for February is 273,000. These are terrific numbers and a leading indicator that the economy is still strong. The 10 year treasury is at an all time low as traders continue to pull out of the panicked market in their flight to safety. There is some concern that this rate could turn negative. This is the same deflation that Japan and Germany are experiencing. I have long said here that deflation is probably the biggest threat to our economy. Even tho we have never really experienced deflation, it is a threat that can be hard to recover from. On the plus side most mortgage rates are tied to the 10 year treasury so look for mortgage rates to drop if they have not already. Kudlow also said that some stimulus is on the table but it won’t be panic stimulus rather it will be targeted. The stimulus will mostly be used to help prevent our economy from slowing too much due to the market panic. So the administration doesn’t want anyone to think we are panicking because we are not. I’m not sure I like this. More liquidity usually means quantitative easing or printing more money.

On a positive note, China claims the infection rate is slowing as well as the death rate. I heard a rumor late last month which I have not been able to corroborate that Foxconn will be back up and running near capacity by the end of March. We’ll see if that is true or not.

I think we’ll see the markets bottom out when we see the virus infections slow down every where else in the world other than China.

Adding to this post:

I forgot to add that airline and hotel stocks, which have been some of the hardest his in this panic drop, are coming back up today. Could this be a sign the market is going to come back soon? We’ll see.

i thought they forced the Foxconn people to go back to work?

Google stopped personal from flying to Japan and other highly infected areas on Thursday

Google stopped personnel from flying to Japan and other highly infected areas on Thursday

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instead of flying, they could take a cruise ship ride. LOL

So the Chinese govt commandeered a hotel to quarantine people....then the hotel collapsed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/seventy-trapped-in-collapsed-chinese-quarantine-hotel/ar-BB10SgL7?ocid=spartanntp

So the Chinese govt commandeered a hotel to quarantine people....then the hotel collapsed.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/seventy-trapped-in-collapsed-chinese-quarantine-hotel/ar-BB10SgL7?ocid=spartanntp

That's one way to "treat" patients.

"No, they didn't die of the virus.  They died of injuries."

Helps their coronavirus fatality stats ...

I received an email from United Airlines yesterday.

Among all the "we're doing everything to protect our passengers" verbiage, they say they are allowing anyone who buys a ticket through the end of March change it over the next 12 months – any ticket, any fare type, any destination -- with no change fees.