22ELR Rifle (Read 6264 times)

kala201

22ELR Rifle
« on: February 02, 2020, 05:11:30 PM »
I’ve been looking for a long time at all the different bolt action 22LR rifles trying to figure out which one to buy.  I own a couple 10/22’s and a M&P 15-22 which are all accurate enough for me, but recently I’ve been reading a lot about 22 rimfire and their use in ELR (extreme long range) shooting.  That got me thinking even more about which rifle I should get.  In ELR competitions guys are pushing the 22lr out to 300+ yards.

Ideally I’d like to keep the purchase price under $700.  I would also like something that has some aftermarket customization, at least the ability to change the stock.  I would also prefer if it comes with a threaded barrel.

I was thinking about the Ruger RPR rimfire rifle, but started having second thoughts. A lot of people on mainland forums recommend CZ rifles.  There were a couple Savage and Tikka rifles that I like the look of but have no idea if they are up to the task of being a long range precision rifle.

Does anyone here have any rifle recommendations or experience with pushing 22lr rounds out to extreme distances for accuracy?

Jmoto808

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2020, 08:11:39 PM »
You bring up a huge aspect of buying rifles and thats the aftermarket capability and support. Which is one reason why i hardly ever reccoment a RPR. My #1 choice for your budget is the tikka t1x. i think its like 500ish or so. Main thing is its compatable with tikka t3 aftermaket parts. So you could find a mcmillan stock or manners or chassis and drop it straight in. Same for scope bases and triggers. Plus its tikka quality, hard to believe you wojt be able to get <.75" 8 shot groups at 50 yards if you do your part and find the right ammo. If you want to spend a little more, id go bergara b14 22lr because then u have the whole remington compatible aftermarket stuff to play with. Gluck brotha.

kala201

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2020, 09:14:38 PM »
Thanks for the recommendation JMoto.  :shaka:  I looked at the Bergara and the Vudoo rifles for that exact reason.  It’s nice that they are based on the tried and true Remington 700 platform and have a lot of aftermarket options.  I just can’t bring myself to spend that kind of coin on a rifle that I won’t be able to make good use of though.  I’ll spend $1500 on a new surfboard because I can surf it whenever I want and wherever I want, but not on a dedicated long range rifle.  The only time I’ll be able to stretch it out that far is when I can make it to Schofield or when I get invited to go to a friend of friends farm.  The Tikka 1x MTR looks like a sweet option.  I also started looking into the Volquartsen Summit receiver only and doing a build from there.  That way I can use all my 10/22 parts, but I don’t know if I would get the kind of accuracy I’m looking for.

Jmoto808

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2020, 09:56:26 PM »
Just from what ive seen in a small sample amongst friends and seeing what the 22lr community is like. I think ud regret trying to upgrade a 1022 or any similar style rifle. Theres just so much more accuracy and reliable to be had with these new bolt action 22lrs. Plus u can always let a wife or kid shoot it snd learn good fundamentals. The bergara should be 800-900 ish so not far off ur budget, unless u wanna put top tier glass haha. My bro loves his t3x so i have full confidence the t1x would be bad ass! Esp in a nice chassis or stock. Im a stock guy so went with a vudoo in a foundation stock, which you can see in the bolt show and tell forum.

wobbles

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2020, 10:25:25 AM »
Spend all the money on the one you want. I must have gone thru 5 22's before i pulled the trigger on my Anschutz. I wish i would have just bought it first..

changemyoil66

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2020, 10:22:26 AM »
I can hit a 3 inch gong constantly with my RPRR at 100.  Hit the boar (250 yards?) at silly side with 1 round and only tried once.  Maxed out the mil dots on my scope.  The rifle was about $400ish and the scope I have is $700 (1990's price).  The scope was given to me as a gift.  It's the Leupold AR1 4x18.  This was with cheap CCI-SV ammo and no rear bag.

So the RPRR can be accurate and is way under your budget.  But since you want to customize it, that's where the RPRR would have a down fall.  Not much parts out there to make it your own.  Basically cerakote.  There are some companies who make a barrel, but they cost more than the gun and you won't be that much more accurate.  I would spend the money building a KIDD 22 instead.

Jmoto808

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2020, 02:37:59 PM »
Spend all the money on the one you want. I must have gone thru 5 22's before i pulled the trigger on my Anschutz. I wish i would have just bought it first..

This commenr rings true of almost any and every person ive talked to. No doubt its your money and nothing worse than someone trynna force you to buy something you dont want. But also its a hugeee gut shot when you try to force a gun to do what its just not mesnt to do and you suffer the frustration and fiscal cost without reward. The 10/22 is a great plinker, squirrel rifle, wife gun, etc. But it is by far no replacement for a quality 22lr bolt, especially in todays market. The topic of this thread is "22elr" so shooting >1 inch 8 shot groups at 50 or >2 inch 8 shot groups at 100 yards is going to be a huge let down if you try to stretch it out.

Doesnt mean you need to go buy a anschutz or vudoo. But im not sure id waste my time and money with anything other than a tikka t1x, bergara b14, or a cz (my last choice). Buy a proven factory rifle and spend the extra cash (you wouldve use on upgraded parts and frustration) and buy some decent ammo, a good rear bag, quality bipod, and optic. Prime sports has sk rifle match for 90ish for 500, which is a good like baseline to see what your rifle will do with quality ammo. But i mostly plink with federal hv match. I think i got it from SEC for 55ish for 500.

Inspector

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2020, 05:39:24 PM »
I won’t try and convince you what to buy. My 10/22 builds using Kidd parts and barrels both shoot well under 1” groups at 100 yards with good ammo like SK Rifle Match and some Eley like Target and 10-X. They shoot consistent 1” groups at 100 yards with CCI SV. And they shoot Blazer 1.25”-1.50” groups at 100 yards. Will they out shoot a very nice bolt gun? It could easily depending on the rifle. I would still put my money on a good bolt gun. But you would be surprised what a good 10/22 can do. My old Anschutz can shoot a tad bit better at times but my 10/22’s are a bit more consistent. I built a bench gun with a heavy barrel and a lightweight build.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2875.msg56135#msg56135

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2875.msg80922#msg80922

I really like the SK Rifle Match. All of my .22’s shoot it really well. It is less expensive than 10-X but more expensive than Eley Target. I think it is the best match grade ammo for the money for my rifles.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Jmoto808

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2020, 09:11:22 PM »
I won’t try and convince you what to buy. My 10/22 builds using Kidd parts and barrels both shoot well under 1” groups at 100 yards with good ammo like SK Rifle Match and some Eley like Target and 10-X. They shoot consistent 1” groups at 100 yards with CCI SV. And they shoot Blazer 1.25”-1.50” groups at 100 yards. Will they out shoot a very nice bolt gun? It could easily depending on the rifle. I would still put my money on a good bolt gun. But you would be surprised what a good 10/22 can do. My old Anschutz can shoot a tad bit better at times but my 10/22’s are a bit more consistent. I built a bench gun with a heavy barrel and a lightweight build.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2875.msg56135#msg56135

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2875.msg80922#msg80922

I really like the SK Rifle Match. All of my .22’s shoot it really well. It is less expensive than 10-X but more expensive than Eley Target. I think it is the best match grade ammo for the money for my rifles.

Not trynna start drama but. Well under 1 inch consistently at 100 yards?? I can see 3 shot or maybe 5 shot groups at most. But the bench rest records were like .84 10 shot groups at 100 yards and the eley factory tests in a wind tunnel were averaging >1 inch at 100  with a few at .6-.7 groups. If someone has a rifle that can consistently shoot under 1 inch 8-10 shot groups at 100 yard, that would be national level stuff.

Inspector

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2020, 05:35:55 AM »
Not trynna start drama but. Well under 1 inch consistently at 100 yards?? I can see 3 shot or maybe 5 shot groups at most. But the bench rest records were like .84 10 shot groups at 100 yards and the eley factory tests in a wind tunnel were averaging >1 inch at 100  with a few at .6-.7 groups. If someone has a rifle that can consistently shoot under 1 inch 8-10 shot groups at 100 yard, that would be national level stuff.
Sorry, didn’t catch the 8 and 10 shot groups. I only test with 3 and 5 shot groups. I wasn’t trying to mislead here.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

kala201

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2020, 08:14:26 PM »
Thank you all for your input.  After doing a lot of internet and YouTube research I’m taking Jmoto808’s advice and looking to pick up a Tikka T1x.  It fits what I’m looking for and Is within my budget.  Maybe one day when I have more money and better marksmanship skill I’ll buy a Bergara or maybe even a Vudoo.

Jmoto808

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2020, 04:40:10 PM »
Thank you all for your input.  After doing a lot of internet and YouTube research I’m taking Jmoto808’s advice and looking to pick up a Tikka T1x.  It fits what I’m looking for and Is within my budget.  Maybe one day when I have more money and better marksmanship skill I’ll buy a Bergara or maybe even a Vudoo.

No doubt ull be 100% satisfied brotha. What kind of glass u puttin on it?

Bushido

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 08:50:55 PM »
What are your realistic goals? Rimfire ELR shoots out to 500y. A few take it much further. NRL22 goes out to 100.

I really do not mean to burst your bubble but you will not be competitive in Rimfire ELR with a $700 build. In NRL22 base class the max is $1050 suggested retail for rifle and scope only. This class is meant to introduce new shooters to competitive rimfire shooting. Open class rifles are regularly going for $3K plus. ELR rimfire rifles are much more. Top end ammo is near 2K a case.

On Oahu, there's a few guys with 5K plus BR builds. It really all.comes down to your expectations and goals.

Bushido

Re: 22ELR Rifle
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2020, 09:43:35 PM »
   This may be an extreme example of a Rimfire ELR build but this rifle is what you'll see in ELR over 8K suggested retail. Barreled action/1800, J Allen stock/2200, Nightforce ATACR 7-35/3500 not to mention the bipod, ARCA rail, scope mount, etc....