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ren

Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« on: February 04, 2020, 09:13:01 PM »
Let this burn in folks :grrr:

https://www.kitv.com/story/41659894/state-lawmakers-propose-stricter-gun-laws-to-keep-firearms-out-of-criminals-hands

"Whether you're in the right or you're wrong, you're still going to have to go through the legal system, you're going to have to go through all this," Ballard said. "It's going to be a toll on your family, it's going to be a financial toll. Is it worth it?"
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WTF?Shane

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 10:02:28 PM »
So, the Chief of police is telling us to be the victim.

 dafuq
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 10:11:31 PM »
Quote from: ren on February 04, 2020, 09:13:01 PM

"Whether you're in the right or you're wrong  you and your loved ones are alive and not severely wounded or raped,
you're still going to have to go through the legal system,
you're going to have to go through all this," Ballard said.

"It's going to be a toll on your family, it's going to be a financial toll.
Is it worth it  exercising your god-given, constitutionally-protected right to protect yourself ?"

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RSN172

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 10:15:25 PM »
I have USCCA insurance and I am pretty sure 90% or more of the people here would buy some kind of insurance if they had a CCW permit.
It would be foolish not to.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 10:22:26 PM »
Quote from: RSN172 on February 04, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
I have USCCA insurance and I am pretty sure 90% or more of the people here would buy some kind of insurance if they had a CCW permit.
It would be foolish not to.

They don't want gun buyers to have insurance.  They want mandatory and overpriced insurance requirements that pile onto the mess of laws and other expenses so gun ownership becomes prohibitive for the public.

« Last Edit: February 05, 2020, 12:37:23 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
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hvybarrels

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2020, 11:05:39 PM »
That actually reads as a threat.

She is saying if someone manages to successfully defend themselves she will presume them to be guilty until proven innocent. Imagine if every time an HPD officer got arrested after shooting someone in the line of duty, just as a precaution. Nobody would want to be a cop.

It is the difference between citizens and subjects
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drck1000

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2020, 09:14:57 AM »
I read the article and was hoping Ballard's statement was taken out of context.  I still hope she didn't mean it that way and it sort of still in shock from recent events. . .

In any case, the question of "is it worth it?" is one that I, and I am sure many here, are well aware of and one that is up to me and me alone to decide for MYSELF!  Not the Gov't, not the police, not anyone. . . Yes, I have thought about and considered the consequences as well as other things that goes along with if/when the event could occur.  I can't say the same for the millions of criminals who disregard laws, value of human life, etc. . .

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changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 09:35:49 AM »
Quote from: drck1000 on February 05, 2020, 09:14:57 AM
I read the article and was hoping Ballard's statement was taken out of context.  I still hope she didn't mean it that way and it sort of still in shock from recent events. . .

In any case, the question of "is it worth it?" is one that I, and I am sure many here, are well aware of and one that is up to me and me alone to decide for MYSELF!  Not the Gov't, not the police, not anyone. . . Yes, I have thought about and considered the consequences as well as other things that goes along with if/when the event could occur.  I can't say the same for the millions of criminals who disregard laws, value of human life, etc. . .

The vid of the PC might be on Hawaii News Now or SSH. 
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changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2020, 09:36:20 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on February 04, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
They don't want gun buyers to have insurance.  They want mandatory and overpriced insurance requirements that pile onto the mess of laws and other expenses so gun ownership becomes prohibitive for the public.

^^^ This because WA did ban carry guard from their state.  WA doesn't want people to have "murder insurance".
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QUIETShooter

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2020, 07:17:41 PM »
Quote from: ren on February 04, 2020, 09:13:01 PM
Let this burn in folks :grrr:

https://www.kitv.com/story/41659894/state-lawmakers-propose-stricter-gun-laws-to-keep-firearms-out-of-criminals-hands

"Whether you're in the right or you're wrong, you're still going to have to go through the legal system, you're going to have to go through all this," Ballard said. "It's going to be a toll on your family, it's going to be a financial toll. Is it worth it?"

Yes.  It is.  If my family is alive, not hurt, and safe from harm, it is worth it.  I am a law abiding citizen.  I am a responsible gun owner.  I know the current gun laws.  When I absolutely must, I will.  No fear.  No regrets.  Financial toll?  Versus the safety of my family?  OMG.  I can't believe what was said.
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macsak

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2020, 08:20:41 PM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on April 29, 2020, 07:17:41 PM
Yes.  It is.  If my family is alive, not hurt, and safe from harm, it is worth it.  I am a law abiding citizen.  I am a responsible gun owner.  I know the current gun laws.  When I absolutely must, I will.  No fear.  No regrets.  Financial toll?  Versus the safety of my family?  OMG.  I can't believe what was said.

welcome to the 2a battle in Hawaii
we will need your help once the legislature gets back in session
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new guy

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2020, 09:08:06 PM »
How do we call her out on this comment and ask her to thoroughly explain it?
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changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2020, 09:10:34 PM »
Quote from: new guy on April 29, 2020, 09:08:06 PM
How do we call her out on this comment and ask her to thoroughly explain it?
"They" control the media and dont care about legal gun owners.

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new guy

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2020, 10:34:28 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on April 29, 2020, 09:10:34 PM
"They" control the media and dont care about legal gun owners.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Agree.

Then, next question is, how do we push this to a larger national audience for greater external pressure?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2020, 02:56:10 AM »
Quote from: new guy on April 29, 2020, 10:34:28 PM
Agree.

Then, next question is, how do we push this to a larger national audience for greater external pressure?

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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groveler

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2020, 08:03:13 AM »
Quote from: new guy on April 29, 2020, 10:34:28 PM
Agree.

Then, next question is, how do we push this to a larger national audience for greater external pressure?
First you have to ask is why would the rest of the nation care?
Bottom line, there is only about 1.4 million people in this whole state,
most are on just one island,  in one town,  Honolulu.
There are ten Cities in America about that size.  All are the bluest of blue.
and control their states.
A thinking person outside of Hawaii would see it as a waste of time and money
to fight a battle that cannot be won through legislation in Hawaii.
all that is left is courts, or guns(4GW).
Besides Hawaii Democrats are party first, everybody else doesn't count.
Ever read an ILWU( longshoreman's) news letter?  I used to get them.
I was a member in 2012 for a time. I've read better opinions of American
rights in Pravda.
Our best bet is getting the Supreme court and the 9th Circus cleared of the
Democrat activists.


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changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2020, 08:28:15 AM »
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changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2020, 08:31:11 AM »
Quote from: new guy on April 29, 2020, 10:34:28 PM
Agree.

Then, next question is, how do we push this to a larger national audience for greater external pressure?

It's sad that the rest of the nation won't care.  Which is understandable.  Do we care bout CA's ammo background check?  Maybe a little, but not enough to write to our senators in DC or CA senators.  We are on our own.  Join Hawaii Firearms Coalition (HIFICO).  They are the main ones organizing everything for everyone.  When bills are coming up for a hearing or online testimony, when to write to your district rep/senator, wording in bills that are very bad, etc...

Prior to them being around, at hearings for bills, maybe 8 people would show up that are pro 2a.  Now it's like 30-80 and we hope even more because more gun laws won't ever stop here.
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hvybarrels

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2020, 09:46:48 AM »
On the contrary I think people do care about Hawaii, but it will translate into action only when we show them that we care about ourselves. The last legislative session was a great start.

One of our greatest issues getting outside help is that people see Hawaii and think Crazy Mazie and spoiled citizens on welfare. They do not understand our rich history and broad political spectrum. Also a lot of our elected officials would be considered Republicans in any other state, only here it is much easier to get elected with a D behind your name. Part of that is voter fraud in my opinion, and the all-mail ballot is easier to tamper with vs the traditional method of shutting down voting stations and purging people from the rolls, but that stuff happens more or less everywhere and yet populists are still able to win and overturn the status quo with a strong enough following.

Lastly there is the point that fighting for freedom is not something you do only because you think you can win. People continue to fight even when all hope seems lost because it is the right thing to do. No one ever knows how the defeats of today will translate into the victories of tomorrow. If the kids know their elders stood up for something, they will be more likely to take up that flag when it is their turn.
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drck1000

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2020, 09:55:25 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on April 30, 2020, 09:46:48 AM
SNIP

Lastly there is the point that fighting for freedom is not something you do only because you think you can win. People continue to fight even when all hope seems lost because it is the right thing to do. No one ever knows how the defeats of today will translate into the victories of tomorrow. If the kids know their elders stood up for something, they will be more likely to take up that flag when it is their turn.
Very true.  Even if rulings/decisions don't go that way, lessons in the arguments and view points that the issue churns up can be very helpful.  I found the discussion from CA mag cap and NY cases interesting.  Then folks in other states/areas can take that and expand and/or modify.

That said, I can understand the picking of battles point of view when targeting fights that folks can win.  But then there's the opposition who is doing the "throw everything on the wall and see what $hit sticks" approach.  Even  :grrr: moreso when people starting taking that BS as gospel (i.e. MDA). 
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