Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family (Read 12330 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2020, 10:45:58 PM »
Let this burn in folks :grrr:

https://www.kitv.com/story/41659894/state-lawmakers-propose-stricter-gun-laws-to-keep-firearms-out-of-criminals-hands

"Whether you're in the right or you're wrong, you're still going to have to go through the legal system, you're going to have to go through all this," Ballard said. "It's going to be a toll on your family, it's going to be a financial toll. Is it worth it?"

Well she isn't wrong.

Shoot someone in self defense and you are going to go through the legal system and it probably will be stressful on your family. I don't know if she was trying to push a conclusion or just trying to get people to seriously consider what it entails to actually use a firearm against someone.

But as to the question of whether it is worth it? If I save the lives of my family then yes, it is worth it.

changemyoil66

Well she isn't wrong.

Shoot someone in self defense and you are going to go through the legal system and it probably will be stressful on your family. I don't know if she was trying to push a conclusion or just trying to get people to seriously consider what it entails to actually use a firearm against someone.

But as to the question of whether it is worth it? If I save the lives of my family then yes, it is worth it.
Or next time someone meets the requirement of one lawfully using deadly force, instead tell them youre gonna give them $20k (half of what a defense lawyer cost) and also let them do u up the ass. Same same according to the chief.



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oldfart

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2020, 07:34:51 AM »
Chief Ballard assumes a perfect world where bad people don't do horrible things.
The problem is, she knows full well that it's not a perfect world.
Which is why she is packing a pistol.
What, Me Worry?

groveler

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2020, 08:05:49 AM »
Well she isn't wrong.

Shoot someone in self defense and you are going to go through the legal system and it probably will be stressful on your family. I don't know if she was trying to push a conclusion or just trying to get people to seriously consider what it entails to actually use a firearm against someone.

But as to the question of whether it is worth it? If I save the lives of my family then yes, it is worth it.
Shoot, shovel, shut up.
I don't owe Hawaiian cops anything.
Never talk to them.

RSN172

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2020, 08:06:41 AM »
Call 911. On Oahu you might get a response as soon as 2 min if you are
lucky.  Where I live on the BI, 35 min would be extremely fast, the equivalent
of a 2 min Oahu response. By response I mean a cop on site at your home.
In addition, you might not have the TIME to pick up the phone and call 911.
Happily living in Puna

RSN172

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2020, 08:18:40 AM »
Shoot, shovel, shut up.
Unfortunately, most Oahu residents don't have that luxury.  Properties are way too small, neighbors so close they can
hear your toilet flush and oftentimes nosy as to what’s going on.  You know, like Mrs Gravits in Bewitched. Contrast that
to areas where you and I live where a gunshot or shots, even at night are not out of the ordinary, plenty of land and
neighbors far enough away they cannot hear my backhoe running.

Move to the BI if you can, you will love it here.
Happily living in Puna

groveler

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2020, 09:36:54 AM »
Unfortunately, most Oahu residents don't have that luxury.  Properties are way too small, neighbors so close they can
hear your toilet flush and oftentimes nosy as to what’s going on.  You know, like Mrs Gravits in Bewitched. Contrast that
to areas where you and I live where a gunshot or shots, even at night are not out of the ordinary, plenty of land and
neighbors far enough away they cannot hear my backhoe running.

Move to the BI if you can, you will love it here.
NO NO NO.
We have too many people as it is.
Molokai is a good place for Oahu people.
About the gun shots, I wonder who has the full Auto
I occasionally hear at night?
The only other place I heard that at
night was in the Wilmington district
of Los Angeles.



Flapp_Jackson

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2020, 11:44:40 AM »
In psychology terms, Ballard is hoping NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT will encourage law abiding citizens to behave as victims should and not protect themselves from violence.  (That's THEIR JOB.)

Funny how that negative reinforcement never works on the criminals.  Maybe because the judicial system here encourages crime by not imposing strict punishments (if any at all).

The outcome has to be worse than the perceived consequences of not committing the crime.  Would you risk arrest and a slap on the wrist over going without food or the next experience with your favorite chemical substance?  Until crimes are treated as negatively as gun ownership in Hawaii, the problem only gets worse -- and more people feel the need to arm themselves.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2020, 11:56:57 AM »
Well she isn't wrong.

Shoot someone in self defense and you are going to go through the legal system and it probably will be stressful on your family. I don't know if she was trying to push a conclusion or just trying to get people to seriously consider what it entails to actually use a firearm against someone.

But as to the question of whether it is worth it? If I save the lives of my family then yes, it is worth it.

Ditto... as mentioned earlier CCW insurance is a must..... we know she’s a political sh-t hole d-ke. Wonder what would happen to her if she’s off duty and it happens to her? Wait stupid question.... :wacko: :wave:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2020, 12:08:38 PM »
Ditto... as mentioned earlier CCW insurance is a must..... we know she’s a political sh-t hole d-ke. Wonder what would happen to her if she’s off duty and it happens to her? Wait stupid question.... :wacko: :wave:

If she were mugged, her training would kick in, and she'd immediately file the necessary reports.

(She supervised the Records Section of HPD before this promotion).

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2020, 03:40:03 PM »
If she were mugged, her training would kick in, and she'd immediately file the necessary reports.

(She supervised the Records Section of HPD before this promotion).
....
Oooh ouch that's so mean


Lol, lol, hahaha :rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:
What, Me Worry?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2020, 09:53:54 PM »
Ditto... as mentioned earlier CCW insurance is a must..... we know she’s a political sh-t hole d-ke. Wonder what would happen to her if she’s off duty and it happens to her? Wait stupid question.... :wacko: :wave:

Not sure if she did it intentionally but the questions touches in on a real issue when it comes to dealing with threats. Fight or flight? Each has its consequences and risks. If one is going to prepare to fight they also have to be willing to fight. If you can pull out a gun but aren't ready to use it mentally it can end up being even worse.   A little off topic but an important thing to mention when talking to someone about self defense.

changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2020, 08:53:25 AM »
Not sure if she did it intentionally but the questions touches in on a real issue when it comes to dealing with threats. Fight or flight? Each has its consequences and risks. If one is going to prepare to fight they also have to be willing to fight. If you can pull out a gun but aren't ready to use it mentally it can end up being even worse.   A little off topic but an important thing to mention when talking to someone about self defense.

You sound like Kyle Reece in Terminator Salvation.  :rofl: "If you pull a gun on someone, you better be ready to use it".

drck1000

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2020, 09:05:08 AM »
Not sure if she did it intentionally but the questions touches in on a real issue when it comes to dealing with threats. Fight or flight? Each has its consequences and risks. If one is going to prepare to fight they also have to be willing to fight. If you can pull out a gun but aren't ready to use it mentally it can end up being even worse.  A little off topic but an important thing to mention when talking to someone about self defense.
That's a VERY good point.  Many people think just buying a gun and having it will make them safer.   I believe that training, both physical as well as mindset is very important for self defense.  It's a topic that I discuss with every so often with like minded folks, but usually a smaller circle of folks with the in depth discussions.  I find that many folks either just don't want to hear it or are unnerved by it. 

changemyoil66

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2020, 12:24:26 PM »
That's a VERY good point.  Many people think just buying a gun and having it will make them safer.   I believe that training, both physical as well as mindset is very important for self defense.  It's a topic that I discuss with every so often with like minded folks, but usually a smaller circle of folks with the in depth discussions.  I find that many folks either just don't want to hear it or are unnerved by it.

Look at BJ Baldwin as an example.  He went shooting yesterday to get some range therapy.  Doesn't seem like killing the bad guy bothers him and didn't delete any gun related post or his IG.

He has many vids of him drawing from CCW at a range (mostly the desert). 

eyeeatingfish

Re: Chief Ballard asked if its "worth it" to protect you & your family
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2020, 09:56:07 PM »
That's a VERY good point.  Many people think just buying a gun and having it will make them safer.   I believe that training, both physical as well as mindset is very important for self defense.  It's a topic that I discuss with every so often with like minded folks, but usually a smaller circle of folks with the in depth discussions.  I find that many folks either just don't want to hear it or are unnerved by it.

Humans, for the most part, have a built in mechanism that makes us resistant to killing other humans, sometimes even when other people are trying to kill us. It was such a prevalent problem that the military has studied ways to get soldiers to overcome this and have gotten fairly good at it

I think drills and training help because it helps because it helps us react quickly before emotions can rear their head. So if you take a person like a domestic violence victim and hand them a gun it can be hard for them to get up the courage and actually kill their attacker who is someone they already have an attachment to.

changemyoil66

Humans, for the most part, have a built in mechanism that makes us resistant to killing other humans, sometimes even when other people are trying to kill us. It was such a prevalent problem that the military has studied ways to get soldiers to overcome this and have gotten fairly good at it

I think drills and training help because it helps because it helps us react quickly before emotions can rear their head. So if you take a person like a domestic violence victim and hand them a gun it can be hard for them to get up the courage and actually kill their attacker who is someone they already have an attachment to.
The military changed from circle targets to silhouettes. Maybe after ww2 i think.

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Flapp_Jackson

The military changed from circle targets to silhouettes. Maybe after ww2 i think.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

The military changed from circle targets to silhouettes. Maybe after ww2 i think.
Our rifle qualification course of fire mid-60's was bullseye for slow fire stages, silhouettes for rapid fire.  Pop-up targets in later training were all human shapes.

changemyoil66

Our rifle qualification course of fire mid-60's was bullseye for slow fire stages, silhouettes for rapid fire.  Pop-up targets in later training were all human shapes.

IIRC, the History Channel had a segment about the bullseye and silhouettes.  The Army did a study and found that in real combat, some soldiers had a harder time pulling the trigger because they were so used to circle targets.  They weren't mentally ready or used to a silhouette.  They changed to silhouettes and problem solved.  IDK what the amount of soldiers hesitating were, but it had to be big enough to change the practice.

Guess that's why KKSC doesn't allow silhouettes...even though many city and county ranges across the nation do.