For anyone interested in where the standard capacity magazine ban legislation is, the following link has the current bill with amendments. As it stands now, if passed, it would require registration of all 10rd+ magazines, and ban their sale or transfer with the sole exception of inheritance. As always, LEOs are special class of citizenry and exempted for 'official' purposes. The amendments also defer the bill's implementation until 1/1/2021, probably to allow the county PD's to create a registration system that is super onerous.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/SB2519_SD1_.HTM

Don't worry Rhoads will revert it back to the original version to just ban all of them.

This is something we all have to come together for to tell the legislature that we will not comply with this ridiculous law.

Mags are currently not registered.  Other than the law abiding people on this forum, do they expect the rest of the populace to turn in or register their suddenly illegal mags?  Their stupidity would be hilarious except for the fact that it is dangerous.  Yes, stupid people with power is a danger to your well-being.

Don't worry Rhoads will revert it back to the original version to just ban all of them.

I wish he had dirt on HRC. . .

One thing to add into any testimony is that LEO are civilians and would be mandated to leave all 10+ magazines in their armory at the ends of their shifts. They can't bring them home because once off duty they are no longer operating in any official capacity and therefore in violation of the law.

And if it does pass, I would sue to see the armory records of turn-ins at end of shift. In fact I would do it now as I'm pretty sure every LEO in Hawaii takes their pistol mags home. LEO are civilians, they just perform a job and are employed by the government. No different than firefighters or the secretary working for the County Clerk.

One thing to add into any testimony is that LEO are civilians and would be mandated to leave all 10+ magazines in their armory at the ends of their shifts. They can't bring them home because once off duty they are no longer operating in any official capacity and therefore in violation of the law.

And if it does pass, I would sue to see the armory records of turn-ins at end of shift. In fact I would do it now as I'm pretty sure every LEO in Hawaii takes their pistol mags home. LEO are civilians, they just perform a job and are employed by the government. No different than firefighters or the secretary working for the County Clerk.

The info on the CA mag law had some great info.

This is what I am putting together to submit:

Basis for laws need to be based on facts and rational thought, as opposed knee jerk reaction based on fear and emotion.

FACT: Response times to my residence have been documented in the 10-15 min range in two recent incidents.  My residence is approximately (3) blocks away from HPD main station.
FACT: Recent incidents of attacks and robberies have been by groups of perpetrators.
FACT: This bill cited information from past shootings on used of high capacity magazines in shootings.  High capacity magazines were NOT used in recent shootings in CA.  Fresno 2017 and Oakland 2012 were "CA Legal" 10 round mags.
FACT: Magazine capacity laws cite disproportionate use against LE as a basis.  2016 FBI report shows an average of 9.1 rounds used against LE.

One thing to add into any testimony is that LEO are civilians and would be mandated to leave all 10+ magazines in their armory at the ends of their shifts. They can't bring them home because once off duty they are no longer operating in any official capacity and therefore in violation of the law.

And if it does pass, I would sue to see the armory records of turn-ins at end of shift. In fact I would do it now as I'm pretty sure every LEO in Hawaii takes their pistol mags home. LEO are civilians, they just perform a job and are employed by the government. No different than firefighters or the secretary working for the County Clerk.

They will use the "always on duty" line.   Because then that would mean their g17 mags would also have to be turned in at the end of shift.

One thing to add into any testimony is that LEO are civilians and would be mandated to leave all 10+ magazines in their armory at the ends of their shifts. They can't bring them home because once off duty they are no longer operating in any official capacity and therefore in violation of the law.

Depends on what law enforcement agency it is.  HPD is mandated by policy to carry 24 hours a day and respond to serious incidents off duty.  Many DOD police have to turn in their guns at the end of the shift and are not authorized to CCW off duty.

Mags are currently not registered.  Other than the law abiding people on this forum, do they expect the rest of the populace to turn in or register their suddenly illegal mags?  Their stupidity would be hilarious except for the fact that it is dangerous.  Yes, stupid people with power is a danger to your well-being.

They don't expect anybody to comply with the law.
Democrats pass stupid laws so they have the "tools" to hammer you when they
are finally in a position to use them. I predict that if Trump is not re-elected in
2020 you will see a gun confiscation law passed in Hawaii in 2021.
It will pass and we will have to proceed from there.
Maybe Kuleana will get his separate Hawaiian nation located on the outer islands.
Separate from Honolulu county

They don't expect anybody to comply with the law.
Democrats pass stupid laws so they have the "tools" to hammer you when they
are finally in a position to use them. I predict that if Trump is not re-elected in
2020 you will see a gun confiscation law passed in Hawaii in 2021.
It will pass and we will have to proceed from there.
Maybe Kuleana will get his separate Hawaiian nation located on the outer islands.
Separate from Honolulu county

They are not "outer islands" they are neighbor islands.
Per Senator Roslyn Baker

They are not "outer islands" they are neighbor islands.
Per Senator Roslyn Baker

Then why are we treated like slaves?
We send them all our money and they give us bad schools, bad roads, horrible
overpriced government union contracts, and really bad laws?
I'll stick with outer.

Depends on what law enforcement agency it is.  HPD is mandated by policy to carry 24 hours a day and respond to serious incidents off duty.  Many DOD police have to turn in their guns at the end of the shift and are not authorized to CCW off duty.

So by their mandated policy (is it in writing?) they would be defacto forbidden from consuming alcohol? They are in complete immediate actionable control of firearms and any alcohol would be an impairment. I could definitely see HPD being sued if an off-duty LEO discharged a firearm and was found to have ANY amount of alcohol in his/her system. Public in jeopardy, wrongful shooting, etc.

I guess at the end of the day, they want to create 2 distinct classes of people, elites (gov employees and $$$ who can buy gov employees) and everyone else (little people/us) so it matters none to them what the law says. Laws for thee, not for me.

So by their mandated policy (is it in writing?) they would be defacto forbidden from consuming alcohol? They are in complete immediate actionable control of firearms and any alcohol would be an impairment. I could definitely see HPD being sued if an off-duty LEO discharged a firearm and was found to have ANY amount of alcohol in his/her system. Public in jeopardy, wrongful shooting, etc.

There was that guy who shot the bartender with his revolver while off duty.  He was "showing" it to her.  IDK what ever happened with that one.

What people need to know is if the rifle mag limit passes, law makers will then go for 7rds, then 3rds, and so on.  It's a stepping stone to another law.  It took many years for them to finally go for rifle mags after banning pistol mags in the 90's.

WTF? We're supposed to serialize our mags and then register them with the PD.

We are to wait for instructions from whoever is in charge of this and then immediately comply.  Maybe they can create a Magazine Management Bureau to get more people on the state payroll.  You know, something like the Storm Water Monitoring bullshit to increase taxes.

WTF? We're supposed to serialize our mags and then register them with the PD.

That hasn't been determined. When Connecticut passed a similar law in 2013 they required an online form to be filled out with quantity of mags declared. No serial #'s or stickers that I know of, it was all on good faith. That WOULD be the easiest way to do it....but knowing HPD they will want in-person registration and mandate some sort of inventory system. As it stands, it's just up to the individual county's to implement a system of their design, ripe for infringement.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2014/rpt/2014-R-0252.htm

all I have is a bunch of springs, some metal and plastic.

We should all register them at the same time! I will just turn in everything