Civil Beat at it again (Read 6299 times)

hvybarrels

Civil Beat at it again
« on: February 21, 2020, 04:21:33 PM »
SnivelBleat is in full propaganda mode getting ready for the legislative action next week

https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/02/chad-blair-ill-give-you-my-membership-fee-when-you-pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands/#comments
« Last Edit: February 21, 2020, 04:51:48 PM by hvybarrels »
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

ren

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2020, 05:45:46 PM »
they should limit Civil Beat to less than 100 words per minute...I say again...no more than 1,000 syllables of 30 pages in less than 14k dial up...because no one reads a ghost newspaper.
They also need to register all the editors and journalists to make sure they comply with the Democratic agenda here in Hawaii. What I read was pure communism. They need to be monitored and flagged for unconstitutionality.
Deeds Not Words

Rocky

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 06:47:27 AM »

"I then proceeded to shoot at the targets with the five weapons,"
"one was a rifle, another a pistol, another a shotgun and yet another a .357 Magnum." (4)  :crazy:

"someone was killed by a gun every eight days across the islands,”   :wacko:
45.6 per yr ?

"We also rely on donations from readers like you to keep us afloat."
Write them or comment on this article or their Facebook page how you will not/no longer donate or support them due to their B.S. Propaganda.  ;D
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

eyeeatingfish

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 09:48:58 AM »
SnivelBleat is in full propaganda mode getting ready for the legislative action next week

https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/02/chad-blair-ill-give-you-my-membership-fee-when-you-pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands/#comments

How is that propaganda?  I get he doesn't like certain firearms but it really just looks like an opinion piece.

oldfart

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2020, 10:08:31 AM »
"I then proceeded to shoot at the targets with the five weapons,"
"one was a rifle, another a pistol, another a shotgun and yet another a .357 Magnum." (4)  :crazy:

"someone was killed by a gun every eight days across the islands,”   :wacko:
45.6 per yr ?

"We also rely on donations from readers like you to keep us afloat."
Write them or comment on this article or their Facebook page how you will not/no longer donate or support them due to their B.S. Propaganda.  ;D
...
I wonder where that dude went to school. His math skills need help, among other things.
What, Me Worry?

ren

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2020, 10:31:13 AM »
How is that propaganda?  I get he doesn't like certain firearms but it really just looks like an opinion piece.

Opinions mixed with inaccurate facts (lies) and published on an online newspaper = propaganda
Deeds Not Words

Inspector

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2020, 11:11:01 AM »
Opinions mixed with inaccurate facts (lies) and published on an online newspaper = propaganda
At the very top of the page it states very plainly “Commentary”. Which is supposed to have facts combined with explanations. So it is being presented as factual with explanations. I find that article lacks both facts and proper explanations. So as everyone here (but one?) says it is propaganda, it is in fact propaganda. You don’t define an opinion piece as “Commentary” unless you intend to deceive. Which is the whole idea behind propaganda.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2020, 11:44:34 AM »
At the very top of the page it states very plainly “Commentary”. Which is supposed to have facts combined with explanations. So it is being presented as factual with explanations. I find that article lacks both facts and proper explanations. So as everyone here (but one?) says it is propaganda, it is in fact propaganda. You don’t define an opinion piece as “Commentary” unless you intend to deceive. Which is the whole idea behind propaganda.

When opinions and "commentary" have so many factual errors and completely made-up assertions as that article, "propaganda" is the only accurate term for it, as it is obviously meant to push one side of the issue.

One doesn't require a point-by-point breakdown of the reasons what was published is wrong.  Anyone with a modest understanding of firearms and gun laws knows the truth.

When what you state is provably false, it's not an "opinion".  It's a lie.  (e.g.  "The sky is orange.  Don't argue with me.  I'm entitled to my opinion!!")
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2020, 11:52:03 AM »
Opinions mixed with inaccurate facts (lies) and published on an online newspaper = propaganda

I didn't see inaccurate facts though.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2020, 12:04:18 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2020, 12:14:41 PM »
No source citations. Author pulling "facts" out of his....
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2020, 12:30:34 PM »
No source citations. Author pulling "facts" out of his....

I'm just going to give ONE example of his lies -- hiding behind the typical Liberal "journalist's" "according to a source" nonsense.  He words the "fact" in a certain way. The author hopes it'll be taken by readers as he's stated it, not as the source presented it.

Blair:

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We also have a lot of guns in the islands. A recent Hawaii Legislative Reference Bureau study roughly estimated that “there were 2 million guns on the islands,
which have a population of just 1.4 million,” Vice reported in August.

The article he linked (an AP piece), has the HEADLINE:  "Study: Number of registered guns in Hawaii unknown

Within that same article, they stated: 

"The state attorney general’s office counted nearly 450,000 new firearm registrations from 2007 to 2017, according to the study. The office “cautiously” estimated that Hawaii has about 2 million privately owned guns.

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“Police departments’ firearm registration records date back to at least the 1920s, and it would be a
monumental task of limited practical value to determine which persons and firearms still exist in Hawaii,”
the office said the report.

Hence, the TRUTH is, nobody knows how many guns physically exist in Hawaii.  The TRUTH is, the estimates are based on registrations going back many decades.  The TRUTH is the number could be magnitudes smaller, since they don't have a count of the number of NEW registrations versus multiple registrations on the same gun.  The TRUTH is, there are lots of unregistered guns here, including legally owned (pre-1994) and illegally.

To put out that number of 2 million guns, or any number, is 100% dishonest.  "The office “cautiously” estimated that Hawaii has about 2 million privately owned guns."  So, instead of saying "we don't know," he's providing a number he hopes (knows) makes his next point:

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That explains in part why there are often so many bills introduced at the Legislature each year regarding weapons.

Rather than breaking down and discussing WHY he concluded "that explains the large number of bills regarding weapons," he leaves the reader to connect the dots.

Again, a dishonest tactic to preset unconnected facts and non-facts so the reader agrees with the author's conclusions.  This is no different than presenting "rate of gun deaths" in Hawaii with "relative strictness of gun laws in Hawaii" and saying one causes the other with no evidence to that effect.

One could just as easily explain the large number of gun bills in this particular year by saying we've seen an increase in the frequency (not necessarily the raw number) of NEWS REPORTS of gun-related crimes this past year.  Doesn't mean the stat is on the rise, just that the public perception it may be rising has become a problem for officials.

So, yeah, that's just one instance of where the author cherry-picked a few sources to validate his unsupportable conclusion so he might influence the reader.

Propaganda.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

tillamook

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2020, 08:36:02 AM »


He mentions the bill about making illegal to carry a firearm when intoxicated does not mention that there is no open or concealed carry in Hawaii so it is just another bill to make something double illegal.  How is a drunk person going to legally carry a firearm around?   So its misinformation at best (he didnt research anything) and manipulative at worst (drunk people will be walking around with firearms!).   So probably both. 

Its an article that is meant to drive views because of emotional responses of readers, both pro and anti- guns.   It serves to purpose other than to try and manipulate people for them to make more money.  It does not do anything to improve the knowledge of its readers or even make any effort to improve our society. 

I'd put it on the level of mosquito borne illnesses, syphilis, or predatory lending.   All of which we could easily do without in this world.   

bingbong

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2020, 12:28:10 PM »
This bill would only adversely affect off/on duty HPD officers. Most likely SHOPO put a stop to it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2020, 12:28:28 PM »

He mentions the bill about making illegal to carry a firearm when intoxicated does not mention that there is no open or concealed carry in Hawaii so it is just another bill to make something double illegal.  How is a drunk person going to legally carry a firearm around?   So its misinformation at best (he didnt research anything) and manipulative at worst (drunk people will be walking around with firearms!).   So probably both. 

Its an article that is meant to drive views because of emotional responses of readers, both pro and anti- guns.   It serves to purpose other than to try and manipulate people for them to make more money.  It does not do anything to improve the knowledge of its readers or even make any effort to improve our society. 

I'd put it on the level of mosquito borne illnesses, syphilis, or predatory lending.   All of which we could easily do without in this world.

Sounds like this is the "Deedy Bill," because some believe Deedy was "drunk", even though no evidence (no breathalizer, not blood draw, etc.).  Then there's the Cop that pulled his gun out at a bar after some drinking.  It "went off", and someone who worked there was injured.

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HPD said officers are allowed to carry a weapon, even when they’re off-duty. But we’re told it is against
HPD policy to carry that weapon when they are under the influence of any drugs or alcohol.

“When you say under the influence, meaning if he’s had a few drinks as opposed to just having one drink?”
KHON2 asked.

“Correct,” Kajihiro said.

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/police-officer-involved-in-bar-shooting-arrested-for-assault/


Maybe the problem is armed law enforcement, not the drunk, gun-toting public?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2020, 12:46:58 PM »
Maybe the problem is armed law enforcement, not the drunk, gun-toting public?
Considering their record of missing the intended target and brandishing, this sounds like something to consider.

drck1000

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2020, 04:53:20 PM »
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I don’t like guns. I respect the rights of hunters, the habit of target practice and the desire for self defense. But I don’t interpret the Second Amendment as allowing for the possession of assault rifles.

He lost me there, but I kept on reading.  WTF was all that babble nonsense about? 

Inspector

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2020, 05:07:30 PM »
He lost me there, but I kept on reading.  WTF was all that babble nonsense about?
Meant to mislead and confuse. Obtuse is a good description I think here.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

hvybarrels

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2020, 04:18:42 PM »
New one is up today perfectly timed with the HPD legislative branch press conference.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/02/gun-bills-likely-to-pass-in-wake-of-diamond-head-shooting/
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Civil Beat at it again
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2020, 08:21:25 PM »
No source citations. Author pulling "facts" out of his....

He cites multiple sources and the links are directly in the article.