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DK3

Firearms in mobile business
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:43:11 PM »
According to Hawaii law, you can have firearms in your place of business. What if you have a mobile business? Lunch wagon, tow truck, manapua truck (haven't seen one in a while), etc. Can you have a firearm in these places of business? Mahalo.

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2012, 05:45:20 PM »
According to Hawaii law, you can have firearms in your place of business. What if you have a mobile business? Lunch wagon, tow truck, manapua truck (haven't seen one in a while), etc. Can you have a firearm in these places of business? Mahalo.

Well... this is something that I think is worth writing a letter for.    I know there are a few other states, New York if I can remember, that classified the vehicle as a business. Let me do some research (and please, don't jump the gun haha).  You can e-mail me at Chris@Thehdf.org.
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DK3

Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2012, 11:48:00 PM »
Thanks for researching. Will shoot you an email.

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2012, 12:31:05 AM »
id like to know also. thanks :thumbsup:

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2012, 05:10:51 AM »
I've got to find it, but taxi drivers I think in new york were able to carry firearms as it was in their business; maybe I am dreaming it up, but I gotta find it lol.
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »
I've got to find it, but taxi drivers I think in new york were able to carry firearms as it was in their business; maybe I am dreaming it up, but I gotta find it lol.

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2012, 09:09:36 AM »
"I have a dream".  :thumbsup:
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 09:17:52 AM »
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2012, 11:59:33 AM »
Funtimes, please let me know too. I have a landscape maintenance business I do 3 times a week besides my cell block guard.I'm just looking for an excuse to pack heat.
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2012, 06:23:11 PM »
What about stationary jobs denying the right to self defense while at work?

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Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2012, 06:53:16 PM »
What about stationary jobs denying the right to self defense while at work?

Private entities have their rights on their property.. :/
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2012, 07:29:08 PM »
Private entities have their rights on their property.. :/

but that would also place them as being responsible for people not being able to defend themselves. so they can choose to deny rights and get sued by the victims or allow self defense and lessen the chance for crime.

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2012, 08:08:33 PM »
Or have a Micronesian security guard and call it a day

Heavies

Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2012, 08:12:46 PM »
What about running an open carry, like the armored car guys?

How is that permit aquired?

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Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2012, 09:18:25 PM »
but that would also place them as being responsible for people not being able to defend themselves. so they can choose to deny rights and get sued by the victims or allow self defense and lessen the chance for crime.

Unfortunately, I think their liability would go up if they expressly allowed OC. It might be cheaper for them to pay the victim than for potential liability due to accidents from employees carrying.

What about running an open carry, like the armored car guys?

How is that permit aquired?

I think it's similar to applying for a CC permit. I know it's a may-issue (virtual no-issue except for security, etc.) permit.
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2012, 09:59:22 PM »
Unfortunately, I think their liability would go up if they expressly allowed OC. It might be cheaper for them to pay the victim than for potential liability due to accidents from employees carrying.

I think it's similar to applying for a CC permit. I know it's a may-issue (virtual no-issue except for security, etc.) permit.

You must be "engaged in the business of protecting life or property."  Which is the business definition (it's in the regs.) of a licensed guard.  To be a guard you need (4) years of experience, or be working under a main guard agent or agency.   They also have bonding requirements, but it's a small bond.
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2012, 03:37:31 AM »
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You must be "engaged in the business of protecting life or property."

Aren't we all?  ;)

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2012, 08:24:09 AM »
I have heard that  there was a case where someone tried to argue that a vehicle should be considered a place of employment but failed. I don't know if this was rumor or not, I did not get any details about whether it was an actual case or the prosecutor gave a decision or what. I think they should be allowed but I would not chance it until I get a solid yes.

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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2012, 05:47:21 PM »
I have heard that  there was a case where someone tried to argue that a vehicle should be considered a place of employment but failed. I don't know if this was rumor or not, I did not get any details about whether it was an actual case or the prosecutor gave a decision or what. I think they should be allowed but I would not chance it until I get a solid yes.

I haven't seen anything like that yet.  Not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen a case on those facts.
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Re: Firearms in mobile business
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2012, 11:12:27 PM »
You must be "engaged in the business of protecting life or property."  Which is the business definition (it's in the regs.) of a licensed guard.  To be a guard you need (4) years of experience, or be working under a main guard agent or agency.   They also have bonding requirements, but it's a small bond.



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