Sent emails alerting to contact Senators to oppose bills. Mine is Senator Ruderman. No response. My guess is that he will to vote to pass the bills. 

Problem is so many people in Hawaii don’t know enough about how our government works (including me). These politicians run unopposed with no accountability because the people here are so clueless. Very frustrating.

Yup. It seems like the dems really do anything they'd like, unopposed.

The good news is that nothing in this world stays the same forever.

I got nothing from Kidani but I will make sure that when the MTA has their election i will go stand and tell everyone she does not want them safe because she favors criminals over constituents

If the bills have a grandfather clause and no registration how will they determine when a magazine was bought and therefore “illegal”? The law is already dumb and unconstitutional, but does it even do anything?

If the bills have a grandfather clause and no registration how will they determine when a magazine was bought and therefore “illegal”? The law is already dumb and unconstitutional, but does it even do anything?

California is currently in that predicament before the Duncan lawsuit and during the appeals.  What would a grandfathering law do?  The stores would stop selling them.  New rifles would come with 10 end mags.  Any transfers could be subject to prosecution.  Wouldn't be able to buy them online.

I'm trying to figure out what happens when someone moves to Hawaii with magazines, like military.

California is currently in that predicament before the Duncan lawsuit and during the appeals.  What would a grandfathering law do?  The stores would stop selling them.  New rifles would come with 10 end mags.  Any transfers could be subject to prosecution.  Wouldn't be able to buy them online.

I'm trying to figure out what happens when someone moves to Hawaii with magazines, like military.

What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?

3/3/2020   S   Report Adopted; Passed Third Reading, as amended (SD 2). Ayes, 23; Aye(s) with reservations: none. Noes, 2 (Senator(s) Fevella, Riviere). Excused, 0 (none). Transmitted to House.

Wow. We got twice as many votes as I was guessing! A full 8% (eight percent) of the Hawaii senators actually are NOT traitors to their oath of office to follow the constitutions! Amazing!

What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?

HPD is not inspecting shipping containers or mail or bags at the airport otherwise there would not be a war zone of illegal fireworks in Honolulu every New years.  If they cant block shipping containers full of fireworks how are they going to find a couple of mags in a box?  Its an unenforceable law just like you can 3d print magazines and receivers and DIAS without any way to restrict it either.   Print a mag and order a replacement spring (or make your own).   

All it is is just more time to stack on a prison sentence if something else happens and you need to defend yourself. 

What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?

Nothing, because they are not magazines, but parts kits.  The only way of really knowing is if there is new mag or new gen of a mag.  Like in CA, the gen 3 pmag came out with the window.  That was obviouslly not around pre mag ban. 

But what helped CA was the 1 week of freedom.  Now people can say they purchased the gen3 PMag during that week, and it's grandfathered in.

I know someone who had a friend on the mainland mail him standard capacity (more than 10 rd) magazines for his handgun.  It is impossible to prevent +10 mags from getting to Hawaii, much less so on the mainland.
Stupid law enacted by stupid people.

SB 2635 - Grovelor needs to be our sacrificial lamb as he only has his firearms shipped in when he wants to shoot. That way when he can't buy ammo he can sue the state for infringement.

I'm going to list everyone of these on the form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR_platform_calibers
.17 Mach 2
.17 HMR
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle 2
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
.17-223 3
.20 Practical
.204 Ruger
.222 Remington
.223 Remington
.22 PPC
.22 Nosler
.224 Valkyrie
.224 Kritzeck
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.277 Wolverine (6.8×39mm)
.30 Carbine
.30 Remington AR
30 American
300 OSSM
300 AAC Blackout
.300 Whisper 
.350 Legend 
300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
358 Yeti - Wildcat
375 SOCOM
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 SOCOM
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
5.45×39mm
5.56×45mm
FN 5.7×28mm
6×45mm
6.5mm Grendel
6.8×39mm
6.8mm Remington SPC
7.62×37mm Musang
7.62×39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
7.92x33mm Kurz
9×19mm Parabellum
10mm Auto 1
9x39mm 
.338 Lapua Magnum
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.220 Swift
.22-250 Remington
6mm-250
.243 Winchester
6mm Remington
6mm Creedmoor
.257 Roberts
6.5×47mm Lapua
6.5mm Creedmoor
6.5 WSM
.260 Remington
.270 Winchester Short Magnum
7mm-08 Remington
7.62×51mm NATO
7MM Winchester Short Magnum
7MM Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.308 Winchester
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.325 Winchester Short Magnum
.338 Federal
.338 Winchester Short Magnum
.358 Winchester
.358 Winchester Short Magnum
.375 Raptor
.375 Winchester Short Magnum
.416 Winchester Short Magnum
.450 Marlin
.45 RAPTOR
.458 Winchester Short Magnum
.458 SOCOM
475 Bishop Short Magnum
.500 Auto Max
.50 Krater
.510 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
6.5×55mm
7.5×55mm Swiss
7mm Remington Magnum
.270 Winchester
.25-06 Remington
.338 Lapua Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum
12 Gauge
20 Gauge
.410 bore


In the end it's all shit

What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?

How long you been with HPD?

How long you been with HPD?

I actually just got denied, way to bring it up!

SB 2635 - Grovelor needs to be our sacrificial lamb as he only has his firearms shipped in when he wants to shoot. That way when he can't buy ammo he can sue the state for infringement.

I'm going to list everyone of these on the form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR_platform_calibers
.17 Mach 2
.17 HMR
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle 2
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
.17-223 3
.20 Practical
.204 Ruger
.222 Remington
.223 Remington
.22 PPC
.22 Nosler
.224 Valkyrie
.224 Kritzeck
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.277 Wolverine (6.8×39mm)
.30 Carbine
.30 Remington AR
30 American
300 OSSM
300 AAC Blackout
.300 Whisper 
.350 Legend 
300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
358 Yeti - Wildcat
375 SOCOM
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 SOCOM
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
5.45×39mm
5.56×45mm
FN 5.7×28mm
6×45mm
6.5mm Grendel
6.8×39mm
6.8mm Remington SPC
7.62×37mm Musang
7.62×39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
7.92x33mm Kurz
9×19mm Parabellum
10mm Auto 1
9x39mm 
.338 Lapua Magnum
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.220 Swift
.22-250 Remington
6mm-250
.243 Winchester
6mm Remington
6mm Creedmoor
.257 Roberts
6.5×47mm Lapua
6.5mm Creedmoor
6.5 WSM
.260 Remington
.270 Winchester Short Magnum
7mm-08 Remington
7.62×51mm NATO
7MM Winchester Short Magnum
7MM Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.308 Winchester
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.325 Winchester Short Magnum
.338 Federal
.338 Winchester Short Magnum
.358 Winchester
.358 Winchester Short Magnum
.375 Raptor
.375 Winchester Short Magnum
.416 Winchester Short Magnum
.450 Marlin
.45 RAPTOR
.458 Winchester Short Magnum
.458 SOCOM
475 Bishop Short Magnum
.500 Auto Max
.50 Krater
.510 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
6.5×55mm
7.5×55mm Swiss
7mm Remington Magnum
.270 Winchester
.25-06 Remington
.338 Lapua Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum
12 Gauge
20 Gauge
.410 bore


In the end it's all shit

I did not think too many people read my comments.
You missed  7.62X63 mm.
WWII 30.06.
Suggestions for lawyers on speed dial?

Testifying as a law-abiding citizen and constituent is like being on "Chopped" or "Americas Got Talent" sad...

Well...time to stock up now if you haven't already. They stripped out the language delaying implementation so once Ige signs it the door is shut.

Well...time to stock up now if you haven't already. They stripped out the language delaying implementation so once Ige signs it the door is shut.

There is only a "door" that can be "shut" in their delusional ignoramus unreality.

Called Keohokalole first thing this morning, got  some woman. Asked if my emails had been received. 'Yes'   Why did I not receive any acknowledgement of the emails I had sent regarding these bills? "Because the bills are too controversial' Asked how Keohokalole voted on these issues 'I'll have to look that up, he voted aye but that doesnt mean it will pass, they have a long way to go."  Why would I not think these bills will pass if my Representative is voting in favor and wont discuss his reasoning with his constituents when they inquire? 'He held a meeting to discuss these issues at Windward Mall food court a few weeks ago' Why did he not notify and invite those who sent emails opposing these bills' *crickets*. 'I will pass your message on to the Senator' Oh? What is my message my message to the Senator? *click .... dial tone*

They are all clowns.

2 no votes (Fevella and Riveire) out of 25 on each of the 3 bills.  I knew it would be low, but not that low.  Rivieres (North shore) voted against some gun control bills in the past so it's good he's solid this year.

At this point our fight is with keeping grandfathering in the mag ban and support the Duncan v Becerra lawsuit and injunction.