The thing about human rights is they exist whether or not the individual works to end them.

Perhaps a new mental disorder -- "Snowflake Syndrome?" -- to prohibit ownership and possession?

But these people don't believe in them, so g2g.

I grew up with guns.
My military gun training was a Joke.
I was required to qualify as a Security policeman
with no instruction, I passed. Repeatedly.
I was not a security policeman.
My BIL was a USMC rifle instructor.
He taught me a few things.
If you aren't comfortable with guns, like they are
your car keys/fob, your wallet, your clothes,
your tooth brush, that is a panic buy.
Hopefully these people get comfortable
with their tools.
That is all a gun is, a tool.
We need tools to protect us from Democrats
and their fear.

My nephew just came back from a LGS in Phoenix. He said the walls are bare. They have a few not so common handgun and rifle caliber ammo in stock. But the more common calibers are gone. He said they had a very small amount of .22 ammo left. Only a few FN handguns and no other handguns. A Brownells retro AR, a Bren, and a few bolt actions. This shop does not sell reloading gear or supplies.

Stopped by SEC today around 10 am.  Line was out the door, one guy exited with 2k 9mm.  I didn't bother to wait in line.

Drove by HPD 2x, 20-30 people lined up outside the permit application side.

Situation in Vegas gun store Spartan Arms.

All this is just crazy....        

I grew up with guns.
My military gun training was a Joke.
I was required to qualify as a Security policeman
with no instruction, I passed. Repeatedly.
I was not a security policeman.
My BIL was a USMC rifle instructor.
He taught me a few things.
If you aren't comfortable with guns, like they are
your car keys/fob, your wallet, your clothes,
your tooth brush, that is a panic buy.
Hopefully these people get comfortable
with their tools.
That is all a gun is, a tool.
We need tools to protect us from Democrats
and their fear.

I grew up around guns as well. My father bought his first gun right after (or possibly during) the Watts Riots. That was 1965. It was a 1911 style in .45 ACP. It was too much for me and my father. He traded it for one of the new “Wonder Nines” that was making the rounds. He bought a High Standard .22 Duramatic semi auto as well. While I liked shooting the 9, I took over that High Standard Duramatic. It was mine. I cherished that gun. I shot it, cleaned it and wiped off every fingerprint that got on it. It was not a true High Standard design and was their bottom line cheap entry level pistol. After a while my father traded it in and bought a real High Standard target pistol. We fought and battled over that pistol but my father always won. Around 1969 or 70 I got into 50 foot .22 bolt action single shot NRA competitions. A great NRA program for the kids that taught safety, and proper technique. And I competed and I qualified for Expert. I had all the medals and patches and I had a special jacket with all my hardware and patches hanging on it. That was around 1972 and I saved my allowance and bought the Anschutz that I still own to this day. I basically lost interest in pistols and competed with my rifle until I turned 18 and I bought my first pistol. So I have been around guns and shot regularly since 1965.

While I am not quite as biased as you are towards Democrats I understand completely where you are coming from. If you asked me 10 years ago we could always find common ground with out Democrat brothers. Even in the 2A arena. But not now things have changed a lot and I don’t see much in common anymore. BTW, they claim we have moved farther to the right as much as they have moved farther to the left. But I don’t see it.

Stopped by SEC today around 10 am.  Line was out the door, one guy exited with 2k 9mm.  I didn't bother to wait in line.

Drove by HPD 2x, 20-30 people lined up outside the permit application side.

A buddy went around noon and he said he saw one guy buy 4 cases each of 9, 40, 45, and 223. . . 

Which one of you was it?    

Stuebs (in Hilo) had only birdshot and a few forlorn cases of .45ACP when I was there yesterday.  And about half of the guns were gone.  Folks must have applied for permits before The Donald admitted that we might have a problem....

I was there yesterday as well. I’m sure glad not to many reloaders here. Got myself some primers and bullet heads. Good to go!

I grew up around guns as well. My father bought his first gun right after (or possibly during) the Watts Riots. That was 1965. It was a 1911 style in .45 ACP. It was too much for me and my father. He traded it for one of the new “Wonder Nines” that was making the rounds. He bought a High Standard .22 Duramatic semi auto as well. While I liked shooting the 9, I took over that High Standard Duramatic. It was mine. I cherished that gun. I shot it, cleaned it and wiped off every fingerprint that got on it. It was not a true High Standard design and was their bottom line cheap entry level pistol. After a while my father traded it in and bought a real High Standard target pistol. We fought and battled over that pistol but my father always won. Around 1969 or 70 I got into 50 foot .22 bolt action single shot NRA competitions. A great NRA program for the kids that taught safety, and proper technique. And I competed and I qualified for Expert. I had all the medals and patches and I had a special jacket with all my hardware and patches hanging on it. That was around 1972 and I saved my allowance and bought the Anschutz that I still own to this day. I basically lost interest in pistols and competed with my rifle until I turned 18 and I bought my first pistol. So I have been around guns and shot regularly since 1965.

While I am not quite as biased as you are towards Democrats I understand completely where you are coming from. If you asked me 10 years ago we could always find common ground with out Democrat brothers. Even in the 2A arena. But not now things have changed a lot and I don’t see much in common anymore. BTW, they claim we have moved farther to the right as much as they have moved farther to the left. But I don’t see it.

Since you and I basically grew up in the same neighborhood perhaps a few years apart.
My first experience with a pistol was at the Long Beach CA police range.
Dad had bought a 45 ACP 1943 Rand Corp USA issue.
My older brothers shot after Dad did. My brother Dave got nailed in the forehead by the recoil.
( wasn't a very gun savy guy)
I nailed it.  I was 8 yrs old at the time.
How many 8 year olds get to shoot a M1911A1 at the range these days?
The gun is in storage in Idaho, but I still own it.
EFF you HPD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the riots we lived through,
In my case we all went to Grandpa's house.
There was a rifle at every window.
Grandpa had a very complete
reloading set up in the garage.
There were probably thousands more homes
and families like ours
in the general area.
I used to ride my bicycle into Watts.
I lived that close.

How difficult is it to sell a long gun in Hawaii? Do I actually have to go down to HPD (dont really want to) or can I just send the buyer? The panic is red hot and some extra cash sure would come in handy.

Since you and I basically grew up in the same neighborhood perhaps a few years apart.
My first experience with a pistol was at the Long Beach CA police range.
Dad had bought a 45 ACP 1943 Rand Corp USA issue.
My older brothers shot after Dad did. My brother Dave got nailed in the forehead by the recoil.
( wasn't a very gun savy guy)
I nailed it.  I was 8 yrs old at the time.
How many 8 year olds get to shoot a M1911A1 at the range these days?
The gun is in storage in Idaho, but I still own it.
EFF you HPD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the riots we lived through,
In my case we all went to Grandpa's house.
There was a rifle at every window.
Grandpa had a very complete
reloading set up in the garage.
There were probably thousands more homes
and families like ours
in the general area.
I used to ride my bicycle into Watts.
I lived that close.

We didn’t have that 1911 for very long. I have no idea what it was. I just remember I was still kinda small and probably too young and it was more than I wanted to shoot.

We lived only 10 minutes from the LB Police Range so that is where we shot most of the time. The NRA program I told you about was run as a collaboration between the NRA and LBPD. We shot at the same range where the LBPD trained and shot. In that grassy area right behind that big metal plate with all the holes in it. We constantly heard escaped bullets flying overhead.    My father learned to reload and taught me. My father was careless but he never had a problem except a few primers turned around.

I’ll never forget the fear in my father’s eyes during the Watts Riots. He felt helpless and so did I. When we heard gunshots from cars driving down our street he had my mom and I lay on the floor and my mom had me crawl under her bed.    Being under her bed was not going to protect me from bullets coming through the walls.

I used to ride my bike into downtown LB and to the Pike. I also used to ride to that hobby shop on Bellflower Blvd. Used to be all trains. Bob’s was it?

How difficult is it to sell a long gun in Hawaii? Do I actually have to go down to HPD (dont really want to) or can I just send the buyer? The panic is red hot and some extra cash sure would come in handy.

You don't have to be present at HPD when the buyer registers the long gun he purchased from you.

Perhaps a new mental disorder -- "Snowflake Syndrome?" -- to prohibit ownership and possession?

“FlappMauidogDarmokMoosed syndrome”  ?   

How difficult is it to sell a long gun in Hawaii? Do I actually have to go down to HPD (dont really want to) or can I just send the buyer? The panic is red hot and some extra cash sure would come in handy.

What Dogman said just get a receipt. Let us know if you need a transfer form.
or search the forum. They’ve been posted before.

How difficult is it to sell a long gun in Hawaii? Do I actually have to go down to HPD (dont really want to) or can I just send the buyer? The panic is red hot and some extra cash sure would come in handy.

         Keep your guns. 
 Ammo is at  a premium, you probably have 1,000's, no need HPD or paperwork and it's harder to find than a gun.
I've seen M855 @ almost $1.00 per round. 

         Keep your guns. 
 Ammo is at  a premium, you probably have 1,000's, no need HPD or paperwork and it's harder to find than a gun.
I've seen M855 @ almost $1.00 per round. 

Damn!  I better dig up my stash. . . anyone needs 855? :hmm: 

Regarding panic buying of guns, I thought it wasn't far when the run on food (after TP) started when restrictions and closures started coming down.  Didn't think I would see it quite this severe, but that's how it seems like everything is going with CV.  Personally, my close friends are quite well prepared and aren't the ones losing their minds over this.

People were lined up at Young Guns yesterday. because they're limiting the number of people inside the store to allow for social distancing.

 Mahalo to the Hawaii Historic Arms Association for going ahead with last weekend's gun show. Otherwise, even more people would be desperately seeking guns and ammo.

Condolences to owners of new guns who were hoping to break or zero them in at Koko Head. I share your pain.

As for the riots we lived through,
In my case we all went to Grandpa's house.
There was a rifle at every window.

I used to ride my bicycle into Watts.
I lived that close.

Had a girlfriend going to Pepperdine 1967.  You had to travel through a rather "ethnic" area to get there.   At night, groups of "yutes" at most corners,.  Kept a .357 Derringer between the seats, but the aspiring Mensa candidatess just glared at the white boy if I had to stop at a light.

I did not like going into that jungle, easy to see why they moved the school to Malibu.

         Keep your guns. 
 Ammo is at  a premium, you probably have 1,000's, no need HPD or paperwork and it's harder to find than a gun.
I've seen M855 @ almost $1.00 per round. 

Can someone educate me on M885?  I goggled, but want to be sure I got the right info. M855 would be most beneficial for penetrating objects at distance. Like a tree, glass, door, etc... M193 has a higher velocity and can penetrate Lvl 3 hard armor.  But if having to go through an object first, it fragments.  Where as 855 will be stopped by lvl3 all day (per youtube vids I saw).  So a lvl 4 armor will stop m193, but lvl 3 wont.

So if I don't plan on engaging anything past 50 feet, M855 is not needed as much.

Cliff notes please.

If you didn't have guns and ammo before the start of the year, it is rather late to get started.