Does this help?

https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce

Federal guidance for “essential workforce” lists range staff.

“Workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges.”

So how is it that the KHSC staff are suggested as “essential” but the mayor is unwilling to open the range that they work at? This makes no sense.

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I saw that but it didn't sink in. Thanks for pointing that out.

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I saw that but it didn't sink in. Thanks for pointing that out.

Perhaps that only applies to private, commercial ranges and not municipal ones?  It's in a list with "firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors" -- all commercial entities.

Saw at least one local gun range is open.  A friend's ex posted pics and video of her shooting at a nice indoor range with her "boo's new handgun".    When she was with my buddy, she and her friend kept bugging me to take them shooting, but they were never usually off when I went.

Although I believe these closures, check points, and restrictions of movement is unconstitutional, I think it's time to take on personal responsibility and If not completely necessary, just stay home.  I am concerned not for myself, but others who could really get ill.

Personal choice is freedom.   


What is sad about this whole situation is that others don't, can't, or want to make that responsible personal choice.

Although I believe these closures, check points, and restrictions of movement is unconstitutional, I think it's time to take on personal responsibility and If not completely necessary, just stay home.  I am concerned not for myself, but others who could really get ill.

Personal choice is freedom.   


What is sad about this whole situation is that others don't, can't, or want to make that responsible personal choice.

There are many who believe if the gov't says it's safe to ride the subway and go to a parade, then it must be true.  Same sheeple who watch the MSM and believe the booming economy was bad and controlling our borders is waycist.

They've been taught to trust the "system".  They don't get that every system was created by fallible, often ideologically flawed, humans.

The epicenter of CV-19 is New York.  I wonder why?

Although I believe these closures, check points, and restrictions of movement is unconstitutional, I think it's time to take on personal responsibility and If not completely necessary, just stay home.  I am concerned not for myself, but others who could really get ill.

Personal choice is freedom.   


What is sad about this whole situation is that others don't, can't, or want to make that responsible personal choice.

Yup. Just came back from a quick run to the office and taking care of some stuff for family. Saw lots of closed businesses, but also a bunch of folks carrying on in their “ainokea, I do wat I like” way of living.

Yup. Just came back from a quick run to the office and taking care of some stuff for family. Saw lots of closed businesses, but also a bunch of folks carrying on in their “ainokea, I do wat I like” way of living.

fools rush in where wise men never go......

My understanding is that X-ring and such are allowed to stay open, but not KHSC because it's a park and no exceptions.

My understanding is that X-ring and such are allowed to stay open, but not KHSC because it's a park and no exceptions.

Hawaii loves gun owners.  Why else would they want to take such drastic measures to keep us all safe from infection?

Thanks, Gov. Ige!   

fools rush in where wise men never go   angels fear to tread.....   

FIFY.   

There are many who believe if the gov't says it's safe to ride the subway and go to a parade, then it must be true.  Same sheeple who watch the MSM and believe the booming economy was bad and controlling our borders is waycist.

They've been taught to trust the "system".  They don't get that every system was created by fallible, often ideologically flawed, humans.

The epicenter of CV-19 is New York.  I wonder why?

Dude they also told us not to wear masks 

Dude they also told us not to wear masks 

They never said to not wear masks.

They said wearing masks are not as effective as many believe.

More fake news?

They never said to not wear masks.

They said wearing masks are not as effective as many believe.

More fake news?

I might not have read or seen the news you did but from what I got through the news that I did see, it was tantamount to saying you should only wear a mask if you are sick, and not to wear one if you are not sick.

I might not have read or seen the news you did but from what I got through the news that I did see, it was tantamount to saying you should only wear a mask if you are sick, and not to wear one if you are not sick.

"Tantamount":  equivalent in seriousness to; virtually the same as.

You'll have to post the specific quotes rather than your interpretation.

Here's what I've read/heard: "The government does not recommend it." 

That's different than " Do not to wear one".

CDC guidance on masks remains under development, the federal official said. The official said the
new guidance would make clear that the general public should not use medical masks — including
surgical and N95 masks — that are in desperately short supply and needed by health-care workers.

Instead, the recommendation under consideration calls for using do-it-yourself cloth coverings,
according to a second official who shared that thinking on a personal Facebook account. It would
be a way to help “flatten the curve,” the official noted.

Such DIY cloth masks would potentially lower the risk that the wearer, if infected, would transmit the
virus to other people. Current CDC guidance is that healthy people don’t need masks or face coverings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/cdc-considering-recommending-general-public-wear-face-coverings-in-public/2020/03/30/6a3e495c-7280-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html

Agree they did not say DO NOT WEAR A MASK but it is HIGHLY DISCOURAGED.

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

The simplicity of those recommendations is likely unsettling to people anxious to do more to protect themselves, so it’s no surprise that face masks are in short supply—despite the CDC specifically not recommending them for healthy people trying to protect against COVID-19. “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

He didn't say "that's not highly effective." He said it's outright NOT effective.

Saying it is "science-based recommendations" doesn't mean it is actually scientific. Physics professors have already proved it DOES block such droplets PHYSICALLY.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/02/29/no-you-do-not-need-face-masks-for-coronavirus-they-might-increase-your-infection-risk/#2faede35676c

That one goes even further to scare people away from wearing them.

“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” In an interview with Fox & Friends, Adams said that wearing a mask can even increase your risk of getting the virus. “Folks who don’t know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus.”


Don't use toothbrushes either because if you misuse them you can poke your eye out. And most people are too stupid right?

They never said to not wear masks.

They said wearing masks are not as effective as many believe.

More fake news?

Anyway this was just a friendly jab at you because you mentioned "sheeple" who listen to MSM.

Don't listen to the MSM regarding masks.

They are VERY EFFECTIVE at preventing COVID-19 and other respiratory illnesses.

I emphasize this out of concern for the health of all members here, including yours. Do not trust the MSM or CDC on this.

The effectiveness of masks, and even of the validity of disinfection and reuse numerous times, has been scientifically proven by science experts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHMU4iegLE&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdtKssU7po&feature=youtu.be

Basically, what the MSM and CDC say are pure bullshit. One mask can be reused numerous times. A family only needs a few masks. A box of 50 masks can be for a whole bunch of people. The national shortage can be mitigated significantly but the MSM/CDC put out FAKE NEWS and exacerbate the whole crisis.

If you do not have 70% alcohol, then use 1% bleach to disinfect the masks.

Be sure to air out the masks too  😂👍

“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” In an interview with Fox & Friends, Adams said that wearing a mask can even increase your risk of getting the virus. “Folks who don’t know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus.”


Don't use toothbrushes either because if you misuse them you can poke your eye out. And most people are too stupid right?

False anaolgy.

Buying a mask takes scarce resources from those who really do need them and benefit from their use.  The part about increasing risk by not learning to use a mask properly is also correct.  No different than warning that buying a gun without the first clue on using one can increase the risk of someone getting hurt unintentionally.

Buying a toothbrush won't deprive anyone of a toothbrush, since not-quite-doctors give them away for free with each visit.   

The tweet comes during what has become a mask boom. With coronavirus popping up in the United States, some have
begun buying face masks as a form of protection, despite the likes of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
and Vice President Mike Pence saying they're unnecessary.

And, like Adams points out, if these masks run out, they won't be available to the medical professionals who are at the
highest risk for disease transmission.

Dr. William Schaffner, a preventive medicine professor at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, told CNN the rush
to buy masks is a "psychological thing."

"The coronavirus is coming, and we feel rather helpless," he said Saturday. "By getting masks and wearing them, we move
the locus of control somewhat to ourselves."

Meanwhile, stores across the country have run out of masks. As for online shipments, many orders have been pushed back.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/health/face-masks-coronavirus-surgeon-general-trnd/index.html

That tweet is a month old.  Since then, masks have been flowing to the places in need despite hoarders and profiteers buying up the previous stock from stores.  There's still not enough for everyone who wants, but enough for everyone who needs apparently.

If you're trying to persuade people that wearing a mask is an effective method of staying uninfected by COVID-19, I'm not seeing the evidence.  If you are trying to say everybody should wear the masks 24/7 to stop the spread from infected wearers, I'd say that's valid -- in theory.  In practice, it's impossible.  Not enough masks to have 326 million people supplied with enough spares to wear one time each to avoid mask-related contamination transfers.

Then there are the "geniuses" among us who just "know things".  They will decide that wearing a mask will compensate for not washing as often or not keeping a 6' distance at all times.  "I can stand in a crowd, because we all have masks and gloves."  Masks are not 100% effective, so all other measures are still important to follow.  However, you know people will rationalize and do what they want.

I have masks that are rated 99.9% effective down to 1 micron -- even for noxious gases thanks to carbon filtering.  I still would not trust it to prevent infection.  Only a hazmat suit and full face respirators would make me trust that my PPE will keep me safe.

Handwashing is not 100% effective either.

In combination with hand washing, social distancing, and general hygiene, face masks help further reduce the risk of infecting oneself, and inadvertently infecting others (if one is an asymptomatic carrier).

The evidence is in countries that have social norms for wearing masks (as opposed to the USA which promotes the social norm NOT to wear a mask). Hong Kong, for example, has very low infection rates despite being right next to mainland China, and a porous border where numerous Chinese enter it daily. Taiwan, Japan, and even Korea, have kept the infections and deaths well under control. They also have ample experience fighting off SARS in 2003. All these places admonish people who don't wear masks. Some even have laws to make it mandatory to wear a mask.

That's more than enough real world evidence to show the efficacy of wearing masks.

If the authorities want to send the message that "wearing a mask is effective at protecting you, but we have a shortage, so you can decide to increase your risk while giving the masks to medical workers" then I am all in support of that statement. People should volunteer to offer up their own protection to protect others. This is altruism.

But it is disingenuous to give the impression to Americans that wearing a mask is just not effective. This is not altruism. It is deception.