Would this set president (#nofocus) for hpd not enforcing the law?

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William Barr stated he will prosecute states that infringe on rights. At 6 to 8 weeks now, wouldn't that constitute infringement? 

Accordingly to a  LGS in Hilo, the next  appointment is in July at the Hilo HPD

I think the length of wait, in and of itself, is not going to be grounds for legal action.  Look at places like NJ and NY that can take months.  There's nothing in the law that says HPD must complete the registration process by a given date -- only that YOU are required to register in a number of days once you arrive with guns or acquire one.

The situation HPD is placing themselves in is, once the state of emergency is over, they either have to rewrite the laws, or they have to start making all appointments within the legal time limits per the existing statutes.  They can't just decide that they can ignore the laws.  The time limits exist to make sure both the public and the state get what the legislature intended.  HPD gets to mandate registrations within a certain timeframe, and buyers get a work-week to bring the firearm in for registering.

If HPD puts this system in place after the emergency, it would have to provide the ability for buyers to meet the mandated 5-day registration deadline.  If they can't do that, then the flawed system creates a problem for everyone registering guns, especially visitors.

If they want to have us make appointments for permits, why not use that online system to apply for a permit? ID verification can be done at time of pickup (which they do anyway).  Fingerprinting can still be done using appointments when required.

If manpower is the reason they can't handle the lines, then using technology to reduce the manpower requirement makes sense.

sometimes they enforce laws that don't exist, or try to 

permit to acquire is out 6 weeks, but to register they have opening tomorrow

permit to acquire is out 6 weeks, but to register they have opening tomorrow

What's to stop them from adding a little "padding" to the permit application appointment?  It would be akin to making the 2 week wait 2 months -- or however long the reservation system makes us wait.

How would we know if that's happening or not?

Of course registration appointments will be available now if permits are not being processed.  Ask yourself, if there are registration slots open, why can't those officers be processing permits instead? 

Went to pick up my Long Gun Permit today.  The permitting side was for only new applications.  Pickup was being done at the document windows, before the registration room..  There was a really nice guy that told another guy that it was taking too long to fill out the applications, so they are trying this system.  Once I figured out where to go, it took only a few minutes.

There was also a guy picking up his permit, but did not have a registration reservation.  A lady went in the back and was able to get him a reservation for tomorrow.  Lucky guy,

Good information to know.  Thanks for the heads up.  I wonder if this is the new normal as far as where to pick up permits or is this just temporary, temporarily permanent, or permanently temporary.

 

Team - I won't be able to make my Permit to Acquire (3 guns or less) appointment for Wednesday, 6 May at 0950.  If you would like it, please message me. 

No guarantees that an online swap-over will work, but we can try to synch up my online cancellation with your online registration.

If I don't hear from anyone by 6pm, I'll go ahead and cancel it.

There's a Thursday, May 7 at 10:20 opening to acquire a pistol if anyone needs.

I was in last week and was told that an appointment was not needed to pick up a permit, only to apply and register.

I was in last week and was told that an appointment was not needed to pick up a permit, only to apply and register.

That's correct - during your application appointment, they'll make the pickup appointment (14 days later) for you before you leave.

depends who you ask down there.  everyone has their own interpretation of what the law is.  I was told you need an appt to pick up permit, although that's not an option on their website.  and I did make an appt to pick up, but I made an appt under apply for permit.
when I went down there they asked if I had an appt to pick up, and yes I did. 
better to make an appt.  they could change the rules 5 minutes from now

As an option, long-gun applicants may have their processed permits mailed to them. Applicants need to provide a self-addressed pre-paid envelope, certified restricted-delivery return receipt required(available at the U.S. Post Office) at time of application for permit. Long-gun (rifles/shotguns) permits are valid for one (1) year from the date of issue. Be advised that a handgun (pistols/revolvers) permit is valid for only ten (10) days from the date of issue.

Quoted, verbatim, on HPD's website

I though I saw a post that someone did this.
Anyone successfully went this route?

Mahalo

That’s the route I’m going. Make sure the envelope has the return receipt. Should be about $12. Will let you  know how it goes.

In regular times, the appointment system is an improvement over the old way.  If you have to take a couple hours off work to do your permitting and registration, at least you know you can get processed quickly instead of waiting in line for hours.  The problem is the volume of people buying guns right now, it would be like the super long lines after Sandy Hook.  Of course it would be better if there was no registration in the first place.  HIFICO sent a letter to the governor to address this but we didn't receive anything back.  We considered doing a lawsuit however there's a lot of obstacles due to the very high cost, we'd probably lose in the lower courts, and the problem would be over by the time it gets appealed.

What do I bring for the first permit to acquire 2 handguns under the new appt system from 2 different FFLS?  Do I need the receipts or copies of them?   My appointment is for 2:50pm tomorrow.

Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns.  Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?

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What do I bring for the first permit to acquire 2 handguns under the new appt system from 2 different FFLS?  Do I need the receipts or copies of them?   My appointment is for 2:50pm tomorrow.

Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns.  Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?

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This is from the HPD site.


    Valid photo identification.
    Permit to acquire application. You will need the Make, Model, Caliber, Type/Revolver/Semiautomatic etc, Barrel Length, and Serial Number. (Handguns only)
    Name, address, and telephone number of the seller.
    Mental Health Waiver
    Medical Information Waiver
    Firearms Application/Questionnaire
   
 
    Original Hunters Education card or an original Handgun Safety Training Course Affidavit. (Handguns only)
    Original documentation of proof of U.S citizenship if born outside the United States. (U.S. Passport, Naturalization Certificate, Born Abroad Birth Certificate)

You will also have to pay for the background check Fee (All permit applicants, firearms registration, out of state applicants, and law enforcement officers with personal firearms will be assessed a $43.25 one time fee. Cash / exact change or Credit Card.

There is a 14 day waiting period on all permits. After the 14-day waiting period, the permit will be valid for only 6 calendar days. Permits not picked up by the 6th day will be voided. Applicants will need to reapply and go through another 14-day waiting period, so please plan accordingly.

I am hoping that you booked your registration appointment already.  Normally you would pick up your permit, then go pick up your handgun, then come back within 5 days of picking up the gun to register it.  When you register it, you would bring the firearm and your permit.  They check it and have you sign the permit to acquire, then issue you the registration form.

Hope that makes sense.

What do I bring for the first permit to acquire 2 handguns under the new appt system from 2 different FFLS?  Do I need the receipts or copies of them?   My appointment is for 2:50pm tomorrow.

Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns.  Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?

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http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain

download 4 different forms from their website and fill them out before you go. will save some time when you get there.