http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-gives-young-illegal-aliens-de-facto-amnesty

The latest outrage by our Dictator and Chief.


So, If his high majesty doesn't like our laws, Just ignore them.  Well, nothing new there, as well as his DOJ goons.   

Incredible


I bet his royal highnASS grants them the right to vote in the next election too.

Goddam immigrants! I tell ya, my family has had nothing but trouble with immigrants since we got to this country!

First, I agree. Either enforce the law or change it. This wishy washy "well, we need illegally low wage agricultural laborers to keep the prices of food bearable so we just won't fully enforce the border laws we have... and then we can turn it into a divisive election issue!! Perfect!" is doing the country no good.

Second... this is what armed forces are for everywhere else: enforcing borders. So, do we want to give the Army permission to operate on US soil or not? That would raise some eyebrows with the crowd that wantsall illegals gone, now wouldn't it? Same goes for giving the border guard the funding, equipment and numbers they would need to actually do the job as they would look and act just like the armed forces. Exactly how are we supposed to enforce immigration laws when we aren't willing to give the Border Guard the teeth they need to do so?

Third... Obama is no more or less above the law than any other president given the task of figuring out the immigration issue as part of the role of the Administrative Branch. Get over it.. King Bush II did something similar when he offered amnesty and temporary work visas to illegals already in the country. And drew similar criticism from the hard right. The point of both attempts is to get a percentage of the illegals into a legal process and start bringing clarity to the issue.

Fourth... no one directly involved with the benefits of illegal immigration WANTS that clarity. Employers don't want to have to pay fair wages to American who don't want those jobs anyway and illegals don't want to get anywhere near an authority that might kick them out. Its not just Mexicans wanting into the US, its ag giants wanting cheap labor and not caring that its illegal as long as they can get away with it. As long as the enforcement of laws stays fuzzy there is a comfy gray area large enough to make some profit.

Firth... illegal immigration when a rich country is next to a poor county is an age old problem that no one has ever solved. Its not surprising that our leaders have never solved it. And simply enforcing the law wouldn't solve the problem, either, as the immigrant work force IS a part of the economic equation. Removing that force from the equation would both incur great expense for enforcement and great loss due to higher wages and the resulting higher food (and construction) costs.

Not an easy issue at all. Much easier to use for politics than to actually solve. Congrats! You are falling into the politics of it while getting no closer to a workable solution. Like most of the issues of consequence in this country.

edit: Fixing links since I now realize I had the syntax wrong...

I need to read what Obama is saying he wants to do in more detail, however keep this in mind...............once registered these guys are now on the radar to pay taxes & lessen the burden on our healthcare and government services.  Less drain on law enforcement personnel as well.  It may not be ideal, but it may be realistic to look at rather than trying to catch and deport tens of thousands of persons who will re-enter illegally anyway.

While immigration reform is probably a good idea, bypassing congress to get more votes, legally and illegally, is no the way to do it.
This guy and his whole administration are just criminal. Why the other parties are so slow to act is beyond me.

Country is just going down the tubes fast, what can be done? I am still voting "any one but Obama". However, it is probably just going to slow the decline and not solve the problem.

Unless some real leaders emerge and make these hard decisions, without regard for their relectability status we are screwed.

I am still voting "any one but Obama". However, it is probably just going to slow the decline and not solve the problem.

Unless some real leaders emerge and make these hard decisions, without regard for their relectability status we are screwed.

Truth.

And everyone I know who is voting for Obama feels exactly the same way. Just slowing the inevitable decline.

So if everyone thinks the country is in a slow decline... how is it that none of us can a) agree on why or b) do anything about it.

As for illegal immigrants from Mexico... why is it such a problem, again? High end estimate of what illegals cost the US is $100 billion per year. That figure does not include high end estimates that illegal (and low wage) immigrant labor accounts for as much as 5% of the American economy. Even if they aren't paying full income tax on their (low wage) labor their employers ARE paying taxes on their products when sold.

And who would want to pay 3 times the price for a head of lettuce grown and picked by Americans earning legal minimum wage? Try selling that to any constituency, election year or not. And that's on top of the rising cost of food due to the volatility of fuel prices.

The American economy would shudder and falter without illegal migrant labor. That's why no one has actually made any "hard" decisions about it. Overall we get more from it than we lose.

Bypassing congress?! Criminal? Border Patrol is under DHS which is under the direct control of the Executive Branch. Deciding how it does its job is the administration's job. The president doesn't need to get permission from Congress to do his job. Laws are incompletely enforced all the time and that gray area is a matter of policy.

Right or wrong, agree or not - Obama is acting fully within his authority. Just as Bush did when he proposed something similar. Was he a criminal for bypassing congress on this matter, as well?

I'm not defending Obama or his tactics. I'm pointing out that both parties do the same things, use the same tactics. Who gets outraged and why tends to fall along party lines and has nothing to do with the morality of the political tactic. We cry foul when someone we don't agree with does something to get more votes.

Truth and effective solutions usually have nothing to do with it.

Not running the party line at all. If there is a law, the law must be respected. If they will not be followed what the hell is the point to any of it.
Bush, Bama, Holder, anyone. All are not following the law needs to be held accountable.

Oh what the hell. I don't think Hawaii's CCW laws are any good. I'll just ignor them. What do you think will happen to me in this case?

Obama is not acting within his authority. He is not a judge. Judges interpret the laws and penalties spelled out in these laws.

Well, as soon as these illegals reach some influential position our country will be theres.

Well, as soon as these illegals reach some influential position our country will be theres.

They have as far as I am concerned.  Obama is ineligible to be POTUS.

Well, as soon as these illegals reach some influential position our country will be theres.

If you look at the US, we are a country of illegal immigrants.  "Legal" has only come about (relatively) recently.  I am no Pro-Obama guy, but really man?

They have as far as I am concerned.  Obama is ineligible to be POTUS.

Please don't tell me you are a birther.

Please don't tell me you are a birther.

Why whats the problem with that?
There is no solid proof
Please prove me wrong!

I can't prove your ~belief~ wrong. Some people also believe the world is flat, that dying a martyr will gain you 72 virgins in heaven and that we have a democratic federal government in the US. Hey, its a free country so people can believe whatever BS they want.

As for most everyone else who doesn't already believe beyond any possible proof that Obama wasn't born here, there is adequate proof. (FactCheck.org)

There are legitimate reasons to hate the man and his politics. This isn't one of them.

edit: fixed the link

Why whats the problem with that?
There is no solid proof
Please prove me wrong!

The solid proof is the birth certificate.  Guys wishing he isn't a citizen doesn't make it so.  The best thing to do now is just vote him out.

The solid proof is the birth certificate.  Guys wishing he isn't a citizen doesn't make it so.  The best thing to do now is just vote him out.

Which one?  the one on whitehouse.gov is doctored.

please debunk this for me.

I also do digital graphics. I could have done a better job than the whitehouse.

Looks pretty damning, doesn't it?

Now read this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/

or this:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/March-2012/The-Obama-Birth-Certificate-and-the-Layers-Conspiracy/

And debunk this for me:
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/   (and note that the article, while originally posted in 2008, was updated in 2011 after the official document was released.)

Sit and spin on the birther issue if you want but you'll get no leverage from it.

That was worded more harshly than I intended. Better said: if you want to continue believing that the birther issue is valid you will likely be relegated to the fringe and not taken seriously.

While immigration reform is probably a good idea, bypassing congress to get more votes, legally and illegally, is no the way to do it.
This guy and his whole administration are just criminal. Why the other parties are so slow to act is beyond me.

It is because they (the parties) are all attempting to pander to the Hispanics, who make up a large voting pool.

As clshade stated, "either enforce the law or change it."  Otherwise, we will continue down the slippery slope of relative enforcement. 

Looks pretty damning, doesn't it?

Now read this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/

or this:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/March-2012/The-Obama-Birth-Certificate-and-the-Layers-Conspiracy/

And debunk this for me:
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/   (and note that the article, while originally posted in 2008, was updated in 2011 after the official document was released.)

Sit and spin on the birther issue if you want but you'll get no leverage from it.

That was worded more harshly than I intended. Better said: if you want to continue believing that the birther issue is valid you will likely be relegated to the fringe and not taken seriously.

If you dig deeper the guy who says its legit thru foxnews has retracted his statements about it being legit.

Factcheck.org is a totally liberal idiot news run obamaidiots

I have not read the chicago article. but i will

I am sorry I work with scan images all the time and there are no layers when scanning except in OCR.  But even that the signitures will not come out how they do.  they are fabrications.

I dont care who believes it or not.  Its my opinion.  I am not swallowing what the media is feeding us.

Also my Uncle was a OB-GYN back in the early 60's  and he doesn't remember no registrars named U K L Lee

What I found interesting was the first link (where it says "over" and "over" again) in the Chicago article. The guy duplicates the layers by "optimizing" a scan. Which is what I was looking for to understand why those layers might be there other than that there is some huge, irrational coverup to get Obama into office. Because otherwise, I quite agree that they layers in a scan make zero sense.

Lessee if I can just embed that YouTube video...

<object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/XcWQw2AAIho?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0">