Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ???? (Read 32680 times)

WTF?Shane

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2020, 03:45:48 PM »
Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2020, 05:27:27 PM »
Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?

Production increases as a response to increases in demand.

Only if production EXCEEDS anticipated demand will the price be reduced.

As long as demand exceeds the production of the market (all manufacturers), the sellers can ask for higher prices -- and will get it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2020, 06:13:13 PM »
Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?

Basic Economics Example

1. Let us first assume a downward sloping aggregate demand curve and upward sloping aggregate supply curve, as is the case of most products and services being sold in a capitalist economy; where the intersection of both curves shows the equilibrium price and quantity that balances the market.

2. If there is a sudden demand for any product, such as the current panic buying in ammunition; that event will essentially shift the aggregate demand curve to the right, resulting in a new equilibrium higher price that suppliers are willing to supply buyers, given their current production capacity.

3. Since suppliers know that this sudden demand shock for ammunition is panic based and not because of a permanent increase, at least not yet, of buyers that will continue to buy ammunition from now to the future; they will likely not make any additional production capacity improvements that would be necessary to permanently shift the aggregate supply curve right; which would bring prices and quantities of ammunition back to pre-crisis levels.

4. What does this means for the traditional 2nd Amendment shooters?  We are going to have to live with higher prices, until the panic buyers frenzy ends.  Once it does, the aggregate demand curve for ammunition will most likely slide back to its original pre-panic equilibrium position, resulting in the supply and prices we were familiar before the pandemic crisis.


Any questions?

zippz

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2020, 06:28:22 PM »
Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?

Should go down with gradual rise in demand in normal times over the long term.  This is the opposite where there is a spike in demand during an emergency in the short term.

Labor costs are higher because of overtime, paying benefits when bumping people up from part time to full time, etc.  Difficulty in getting supplies and raw materials, or they may not be available the lowest cost.  Difficulty in getting things from overseas like boxes or trays from China?  Adjustments to working conditions due to COVID.  Interruptions to transportation...

9millimeter

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2020, 06:51:16 PM »
Basic Economics Example

1. Let us first assume a downward sloping aggregate demand curve and upward sloping aggregate supply curve, as is the case of most products and services being sold in a capitalist economy; where the intersection of both curves shows the equilibrium price and quantity that balances the market.

2. If there is a sudden demand for any product, such as the current panic buying in ammunition; that event will essentially shift the aggregate demand curve to the right, resulting in a new equilibrium higher price that suppliers are willing to supply buyers, given their current production capacity.

3. Since suppliers know that this sudden demand shock for ammunition is panic based and not because of a permanent increase, at least not yet, of buyers that will continue to buy ammunition from now to the future; they will likely not make any additional production capacity improvements that would be necessary to permanently shift the aggregate supply curve right; which would bring prices and quantities of ammunition back to pre-crisis levels.

4. What does this means for the traditional 2nd Amendment shooters?  We are going to have to live with higher prices, until the panic buyers frenzy ends.  Once it does, the aggregate demand curve for ammunition will most likely slide back to its original pre-panic equilibrium position, resulting in the supply and prices we were familiar before the pandemic crisis.


Any questions?

Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability, would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?

dogman

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2020, 07:09:54 PM »
Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability, would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?
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jc2721

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2020, 07:17:29 PM »
Supply and Demand, Econ101

What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW.  What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]

I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it).  Meet me in town and have cash in hand.  I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period.  I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.

As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit.  That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about.  I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind.  Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.

jc2721

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2020, 07:18:48 PM »

Kuleana

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2020, 07:22:49 PM »
"Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability,"

First of all, what presumptions are you making when you say supply chain instability?  Was it revealed that there is a shortage of components, in this case, ammunition production?



"would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?"

In my understanding of game theory, the impact on consumers remains the same, they will continue to purchase ammunition at higher prices given their perception on both the short and long-term effects of the pandemic to the limit their finances can bear.  As it stands, the fear of potential civil unrest and uncertainties of ammunition production without interruption due to mandatory shutdowns will be some of the main reasons that will provide the motivation for buyers to continue their panic buying despite higher ammunition costs.

As for your stated premise that suppliers will make decisions on their output independent of the current volatility of aggregate demand, I don't think that is applicable in this case.

Brystont1

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2020, 08:02:27 PM »
I guess I should rephrase what I meant. I should’ve said “you would think prices would go down as more supply comes on to the market.

I had incorrectly assumed that prices were higher before they started “increasing productivity”. It does make sense however that prices would go up if companies have to pay higher wages (longer hours, overtime, etc.).

macsak

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2020, 08:29:09 PM »
Supply and Demand, Econ101

What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW.  What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]

I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it).  Meet me in town and have cash in hand.  I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period.  I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.

As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit.  That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about.  I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind.  Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.

mahalo for making a thread that was not about you, about you...

DeejayTTHawaii

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2020, 08:41:17 PM »
Supply and Demand, Econ101

What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW.  What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]

I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it).  Meet me in town and have cash in hand.  I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period.  I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.

As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit.  That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about.  I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind.  Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.

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Give them nothing. But take from them, everything

spicynoodle_1

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2020, 08:42:04 PM »
Didn't someone just sell that shotgun on here for $500? They must not have seen that...

19pontiac79

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2020, 09:36:13 PM »
  :popcorn: Sorry nothing to add to this thread for now but put it on notify just in case of fireworks :thumbsup: ;D
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ren

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2020, 10:12:05 PM »
I don't shop there because of this and that's what freedom is.
They can advertise all they want. If there's people willing to pay for it then its their freedom as well.
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Kawika808

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2020, 10:14:29 PM »
Never been there after reading all the nickel and dime shit ive read about, glad I stayed away...

jc2721

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2020, 04:31:40 AM »
mahalo for making a thread that was not about you, about you...
it's always about me

jc2721

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2020, 04:33:20 AM »
Someone needs a hug.
nah, keep your social distance

stangzilla

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2020, 04:37:31 AM »
Ye who shalt not stockpile shall suffer unto the price gouging
-prepper economics 101  :D

jc2721

Re: Hawaii's own "Cheaper than Dirt" ????
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2020, 07:39:20 AM »
Ye who shalt not stockpile shall suffer unto the price gouging
-prepper economics 101  :D

thus endeth the lesson ;)