1911 build - .45 or 10mm? (Read 6105 times)

eyeeatingfish

1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« on: April 03, 2020, 10:05:49 PM »
I am thinking of building a 1911 in .45 and then I realized that you could use the same frame to make a 10mm. I am not a .45 amp fanboy or even a 1911 fanboy for that matter but I had an angle on an inexpensive frame. So now I am debating, .45 or 10mm. What are your thoughts/experience?

I am thinking 10mm makes more sense if I ever get around to doing an Alaskan camping trip.

hvybarrels

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2020, 10:18:57 PM »
If I was going to Alaska I would pick up something there and bring it back as a memento.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2020, 10:27:33 PM »
If I was going to Alaska I would pick up something there and bring it back as a memento.

I thought you can't buy a pistol if you are not a resident in that state or at least not without the 14 day background? Buy one through private sale I guess?

hvybarrels

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2020, 10:51:00 PM »
Oh well there goes my dream. Better to know now I guess.
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jc2721

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2020, 11:05:39 PM »
Have you built one before?  It's not like putting together an AR, a lot of the parts should be fitted.  The last 1911 I put together went full auto when I tested it; fortunately it was a .22 conversion kit upper so no holes were added to the roof.  After changing a few parts it's been reliable for 200-300 rounds so far.

Caliber-wise, the 10mm would be a better choice for bear-repellent.  However, given the shortage of ammo and the high prices it will probably be an expensive undertaking.  Also, for best results you'll need a 10mm slide, and barrels won't be cheap either.  You can find imported 1911 .45 slides for $130-140 online and .45 barrels can be had for well under a c-note.

If it were me I would build a .45 had have fun with it.  If I had to have a semi-auto pistol for Alaska it would probably be a 10mm Glock.  Given my druthers I'd have a 3" 629, possibly Mag-na-ported.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 11:23:36 PM »
If I'm going hunting or fishing in AK and am carrying something for bear, it will NOT be something I built for the first time ever in my life.

If I'm not an experienced 1911 gunsmith, I'd rather trust my life to a professionally fabricated pistol -- not to my first 1911 "hobby gun". 

JMO
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tim808

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2020, 12:13:08 AM »
For Alaska, I thought they carry 44 mag, 454 casull, etc

45 - cheaper ammo, loads of cheap brass for reloading

If you already have a 45 1911, go 10.

stangzilla

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2020, 05:28:52 AM »
1911=45acp
But 10mm is 1 better than 9mm  ;)
Sounds like a fun project either way

oldfart

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2020, 08:30:04 AM »
I have both flavors.
The 10mm can be made to shoot very powerful ammunition. I would say it's similar to 357 magnum.
It would be appropriate for field carry.
The 45 auto can also shoot very powerful ammunition. You would need to handload it and tweak the pistol a little.
Either would be appropriate for field carry.

When it comes to real world practicality, the 45 auto is the hands down winner.  Why?
It boils down to availability of ammunition and the general knowledge base.
Generally, you can get 45acp ammo for practice fairly easily.
Such is not the case for 10mm.
Familiarity is the key to success in all endeavors,  and it will be difficult to get a supply of 10mm for practice unless you make your own.

To summarize:
If you don't load your own ammo, go 45
If you do reload ammo, go 10mm.
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drck1000

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2020, 10:57:31 AM »
My shooting buddies in AK said they usually have rifles or bear spray.

When I lived in WA, fishing buddies who would make fishing treks in Kenai would take revolvers. More compact than rifles. They often encounter bears. Both while fishing and “visiting” them.

Personally? Last thing I’d want is a project 1911 in 10 mm. Well, maybe ok if you were staying in a cabin every night.

Direjackalope

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2020, 11:07:14 AM »
Here's a article Ammoland published about bear attacks ended by handguns.  It breaks it down by caliber when known.  Pretty interesting read.  The short version is that in 93 incidents 97% of the time a handgun was effective no matter the caliber. 
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/update-handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attack-93-cases-97-effective/#axzz6IgDwtlwJ

zippz

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2020, 01:20:38 PM »
Glock 20 in 10mm FTW.  15 rounds(cross your fingers) of full power 10mm is potent.

Brystont1

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2020, 01:36:02 PM »
Glock 20 in 10mm FTW.  15 rounds(cross your fingers) of full power 10mm is potent.

Yup. Or glock 41 longer barrel can squeeze out a little more velocity, better sight radius. Either is awesome though :thumbsup:

mrgaf

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2020, 07:30:13 PM »
I hunted Alaska for 15 years. Kodiak Island and north of Fairbanks above the 82 mile marker on the Steese Hwy along the Chatinika River. Big moose and bear country. I carried a 44 mag, 454, and a 1911A1 in 460 Roland along with a 375 Ruger. Never felt under gunned with any of them BUT the safest I felt was with a pump 18” Mossberg cruiser loaded with 00 buck, slugs and the 375. I would recommend the 460 Roland. Alot of sourdoughs prefer that caliber in a 1911 platform. :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 07:36:48 PM by mrgaf »
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aieahound

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 07:34:17 PM »
I don’t know anything about fishing in Brown Bear Country.
But if you’re building a 1911, is there any real consideration other than .45 ACP ?

Especially if it’s your first.
If you already have other 1911’s, well that’s another story. 

And I also agree with some prior posts. Get a Glock 10mm if you really need it to go bang.
(And want to carry a semi-auto)

eyeeatingfish

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2020, 09:03:03 PM »
I forgot to mention this earlier but my father did say when he dies I get is .45 1911 but hopefully that won't be for another 20 years from now.

So I will probably end up making a 10mm unless the special parts are significantly more expensive.

mrgaf

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2020, 09:13:23 PM »
I forgot to mention this earlier but my father did say when he dies I get is .45 1911 but hopefully that won't be for another 20 years from now.

So I will probably end up making a 10mm unless the special parts are significantly more expensive.

BTW the frame for my 460 Roland is a Para Ordinance Steel frame... bout 200 thru it without a hitch.
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jc2721

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2020, 09:37:50 PM »
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So I will probably end up making a 10mm unless the special parts are significantly more expensive.
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Quality 10 mm barrels are probably a little more that quality .45 barrels.  GI style aftermarket or take off .45 barrels can be significantly cheaper.  You get what you pay for.
 
The 10 mm slide will cost quite a bit more than a .45 slide, since there are lots of "surplus" and "take off" .45 slides available online.  That being said, you won't know how well your frame and slide will mate unless you have it in hand or order a fitted pair (again, $$$).  Also, know what you're looking at, and look carefully--is that a scratch or a crack?  Is the firing pin hole properly sized?  Concentric?  Are the lugs worn?  Etc., Etc.  Don't buy anything unless you can return it after inspection. Be prepared to eat the return shipping (that's fair enough, to me).

Magazines for 10 mm are also harder to find than .45 and more expensive.

If you're serious about a bear gun, you don't want to go cheap/marginal/questionable on your component parts or quality of build.

For the money, get a Glock--relatively available, generally reliable and also pretty weather-proof and in Alaska you can have high-cap magazines.

Or, buy a Delta Elite or DW Bruin.   Or a S&W 610--one of the LGS has a 6" in stock (and they've got a Bruin too).  You'll probably want a shorter barrel but you can touch/feel and see if a revolver is for you.

Or build a .45 

Whatever you do, if you decide to sell your build make sure you get a rock-solid liability waiver signed by the new owner, even if s/he is a friend.

my .02, which might not be worth .02

jc2721

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2020, 09:47:02 PM »
I have both flavors.
The 10mm can be made to shoot very powerful ammunition. I would say it's similar to 357 magnum.
It would be appropriate for field carry.
The 45 auto can also shoot very powerful ammunition. You would need to handload it and tweak the pistol a little.
Either would be appropriate for field carry.

When it comes to real world practicality, the 45 auto is the hands down winner.  Why?
It boils down to availability of ammunition and the general knowledge base.
Generally, you can get 45acp ammo for practice fairly easily.
Such is not the case for 10mm.
Familiarity is the key to success in all endeavors,  and it will be difficult to get a supply of 10mm for practice unless you make your own.

To summarize:
If you don't load your own ammo, go 45
If you do reload ammo, go 10mm.

...thus endeth the lesson.

oldfart knows of what he speaks.   :worship:

stangzilla

Re: 1911 build - .45 or 10mm?
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2020, 10:17:54 AM »
Here's a article Ammoland published about bear attacks ended by handguns.  It breaks it down by caliber when known.  Pretty interesting read.  The short version is that in 93 incidents 97% of the time a handgun was effective no matter the caliber. 
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/update-handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attack-93-cases-97-effective/#axzz6IgDwtlwJ

In that article, 44magnim had the most instances of stopping the bear threat, 12, and no failures
I'm not a hunter and I dont live in bear country, but if i did I'd pick the biggest caliber that i could shoot comfortably and make follow up shots with. From my small collection that would be my Ruger Redhawk 44magnum with hogue grips 5.5 inch barrel. I dont think I could do fast follow up shots with anything bigger than that.

Smart man once said, "a man's gotta know his limitations"